Skip to comments.Boehner, GOP Leaders Purge Conservatives from Powerful Committees UPDATE: Boehner Scoffs
Posted on 12/03/2012 7:45:40 PM PST by Bigtigermike
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Yes. More technical term for the state after the collapse is "natural order".
Agreed, GOP is now a liability. I’m done with them.
They obviously haven’t learned and let’s face it, we Conservatives have no voice in Government. We are the German Jews of the 21st century and we cannot allow what is coming.
I'm going to run out of bumper space on my car soon; adding to my bumper stickers daily.
What don’t you like about the Libertarians? I could never vote LP because they are pro open boarders, pro free trade, pro abortion and pro homosexual agenda. Other then that I like them. I particularly like the idea of ending the war on drugs. Sending billions of dollars to Mexican criminals don’t not strike me as a very good idea. Nor do I like no knock laws, illegal searches or (illegal) property seizures.
Effective next Congress, leadership pulled Kansas Republican Rep. Tim Huelskamp, Michigan Republican Rep. Justin Amash and Arizona Republican Rep. David Schweikert off committees from which they could exert conservative pressure on fiscal matters.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Boehner is now filling his committees with surrender monkey RINOs, and the fascists will roll all over him. Boehner will go down in history as the PUKE that sold Amrica down the tubes.
The Tea Party is ascendent. Ba-bye GOP.
I was just thinking the same thing. For Boehner and the other career inside the-beltway-Republicans, taking control of the White House and the Senate would have put them in the dificult position of having to break their promise to repeal Obamacare. These RATs in sheeps clothing never intended to repeal Obamacare and they are now relieved that that they lack the power to do so.
” Boehner is now filling his committees with surrender monkey RINOs, and the fascists will roll all over him. Boehner will go down in history as the PUKE that sold Amrica down the tubes.”
He is starting right now!
We should all chip in, and buy Boehner a burial plot next to Roberts.
Fire - Aim - Ready!
Allen West or Newt Gingrich for Speaker and head of RNC.
The GOP leadership needs to change. If it does not, the GOP needs to be replaced with the tea party.
I agree. Conservatives should revolt and back Allen West as Speaker.
Here are some thoughts. First, consider that the Repub party is not being supportive of its conservative base. This is in dramatic contrast with the Dem party which unwaveringly supports its base even if that base is a very small percentage of the population and is as irrational and nutty as the day is long. Actions of the Repub party since Nov 6 have weakened the likelihood that the base will vote for and fund Repub candidates in 2014. It is possible the Repub party has a plan for making up those losses and exceeding them by adding new voters to exceed those now attracted to the Dem party’s candidates. I have heard nothing of such a plan but it must exist somewhere, if only in the thoughts of Repub party “leaders”. If that plan fails to be explained soon, the Repub party will not be viable in national elections in the future, although they will remain viable in intra-state and local elections provided the party infrastructure and funding is sustained—a big “if”.
If conservatives want to win the more prominent elected positions for the near-term, including Senate, House, and Presidential positions, a supportive relationship with Repub party leaders must be solidified. The same is true for the Repub party leaders. There is mutual dependence here. In the longer-term, perhaps 20 years, if conservatives want to win it is possible to do so by increasing influence in the Repub party the way it currently exists or constructing a new party, not from scratch, but from a major portion of the current Repub party. This could be done by isolating the serial election losers in the Repub party, getting pledges from conservative Senators and House members to form a block and then threaten to become “Liebermans/Independents” if the party leaders don’t agree to some changes and ceding of authority, then mounting a direct effort to chip away at Dem and independent voters at the very lowest level (the educational system, information media, and personal contact).
As an aside, the Dem party is vulnerable although it may not seem to be vulnerable given the policy changes that party has achieved since Medicare (1965). Although it may seem strange now, the Dem party is also a place where conservatism could be grown. The Dem party is a coalition of more extreme and conflicting views than the Repub party and is more vulnerable to change in influence from small groups. The average Dem voter is not a deep thinker, goes with the mood of the moment, wants to fit in with the prevailing pop culture-getting “news” primarily from comedy shows for example, and is easily fooled by propaganda. That is a vulnerable voting pool.
The only reason I opposed a third party movement was hat I feared it would lead to the re-election of obama. Well now that the worst posible outcome has come to pass I say it’s time for conservatives to cut their ties to the GOP and start a new Conservative party. We have a conservative base in the House that could be the embryo of our new party. Their leaving the GOP would cost the GOP it’s majority. Tough sh*t! The new party could agree to caucus, temporarily, with the GOP...but only at a steep cost. The first payment would be the ouster of Boehner and a conservative replacement...or hand the gavel over to pelosi.
Time for the third party. The Republican Party wants our votes and nothing else.
Grand Old Plantation, indeed.
I'm sick of the paranoid conspiracy theory nonsense coming out of so-called conservatives. Lose nominations? Conspiracy! Elections? Conspiracy! Change committees? Conspiracy!
Take your beloved moderates and Mitt lover with you! I can’t wait until you praise Jeb Bush for President
I have just contacted Speaker Boehner’s Office with a copy of this article asking if these Conservatives have been relieved of their positions. I told the Speaker that if it was true that the GOP would lose another voter as I would go Independent and sit back and watch as the Party finishes committing suicide. I stated that conservatism was the glue holding the GOP together but evidently this was not the thinking inside the Beltway.
Above 20 you von't be able to go to University. Above 30 you von't get a good job. Above 35 you won't be able to get a bank mortgage. Above 40 zey vill send you to a verrk camp. Voting for a conservative earns you 32 points. Posting on FR earns you one point per verrt. How vill zey know how you vote or about your FR postst? Zey haf vays!
Enjoy it vile you got it!
I think Sarah Palin, newt Gingrich, Donald Trump, Thomas Sowell, and a host of others should start a NewGOP party to defeat the Democrap-lite GOP
"Cherish, therefore, the spirit of our people, and keep alive their attention. If once they become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, judges and governors, shall all become wolves. It seems to be the law of our general nature." - Thomas Jefferson (Letter to Edward Carrington January 16, 1787
The above words comes from the following essay, which is reprinted with permission:
"A good constitution is the greatest blessing which a society can enjoy." So said James Wilson, in his oration at Philadelphia on July 4, 1788, celebrating the adoption of the Constitution of the United States. Wilson, who signed both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, preached startlingly democratic theories - more democratic than the ideas of any other delegate to the Constitutional Convention.
Yet Wilson emphasized the duties, as well as the rights, of citizens:
"Need I infer, that it is the duty of every citizen to use his best and most unremitting endeavours for preserving it [the Constitution] pure, healthful, and vigorous? For the accomplishment of this great purpose, the exertions of no one citizen are unimportant. Let no one, therefore harbour, for a moment, the mean idea, that he is and can be of no value to his country: let the contrary manly impression animate his soul. Every one can, at many times, perform, to the state, useful services; and he, who steadily pursues the road of patriotism, has the most inviting prospect of being able, at some times, to perform eminent ones."
Wilson's argument is quite as sound now as it was two centuries ago. The success of the American Republic as a political structure has been the consequence, in very large part, of the voluntary participation of citizens in public affairs - enlisting in the army in time of war; serving on school boards; taking part unpaid in political campaigns; petitioning legislatures; supporting the President in an hour of crisis; and in a hundred other great ways, or small-assuming responsibility for the common good. The Constitution has functioned well, most of the time, because conscientious men and women have given it flesh.
The Framers' first assumption was that all just authority for government comes from the people, under God; not from a monarch or a governing class, but from the innumerable citizens who make up the public. The people delegate to government only so much power as they think it prudent for government to exercise. Government is the people's creation, not their master. Thus, if the people are sovereign, it is the citizens' responsibility to take upon their shoulders the task of seeing that order, justice, and freedom are maintained.
The Framers' second assumption was that American citizens would undertake responsibility for the ordinary functioning of the civil social order and that local communities would manage their own affairs. Under their system, the roles of the various levels of government would be minimal and would not unnecessarily intrude into the day-to-day lives of the citizens.
In the matters which most immediately affect private life, power should remain in the hands of the citizens, or of the several states - not in the possession of federal government. So, at least, the Constitution declares. Americans have no official cards of identity, or internal passports, or system of national registration of all citizens - obligations imposed upon citizens in much of the rest of the world. This freedom results from Americans' voluntary assumption of responsibility.
In matters of public concern, it was the original intent to keep authority as close to home as possible. The lesser courts, the police, the maintenance of roads and sanitation, the levying of real-property taxes, the control of public schools, and many other essential functions still are carried on by the agencies of local community: the township, the village, the city, the county, the voluntary association. Citizens' cooperation in voluntary community throughout the United States has been noted and commended in the books of Alexis de Tocqueville, Lord Bryce, Julian Marias, and other distinguished visitors to the United States, over the past two centuries:
America's citizens, most of them, have believed in a moral order ordained by divine wisdom; and so they have assumed moral responsibilities, including personal responsibility for constitutional government. The more thoughtful citizens have seen society as primarily moral in origin: a community of souls. Behind the outward forms of American political structure lie the old convictions that citizens have duties toward a Creator and toward other members of the society, and that a just government must recognize moral law.
In family, church, and school, until the middle of the twentieth century, the rising generation of Americans were taught that they must be personally responsible for their own welfare, for the care of their aging family members, for the security and prosperity of their community, for their patrimony of order and justice and freedom, A sense of responsibility is developed by severe lessons, by private risk and accountability, by a humane education, by religious understanding, by knowledge of the past. Once upon a time, this sense of responsibility was diffused throughout the American nation. If it drains away, the consequences will be dreary.
A republic whose citizens - whose leaders, indeed - are concerned chiefly with "looking out for Number One," and ignoring their responsibilities of citizenship, soon cannot "insure domestic tranquillity, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare" - or carry on the other major duties of the state. When the crisis comes, the people may turn in desperation to the hero-administrator, the misty figure somewhere at the summit. But in the end, that heroadministrator will not save the republic, although he may govern for a time by force. A democratic republic cannot long endure unless a great many of its citizens stand ready and willing to brighten the corner where they are, and to sacrifice much for the nation, if need be.
For the past five or six decades, several perceptive observers have remarked, an increasing proportion of the American population has ceased to feel responsible for the common defense, for productive work, for choosing able men and women to represent them in politics, for accepting personal responsibility for the needs of the community, or even for their own livelihood. Unless this deterioration is arrested, the responsible citizens will be too few to support and protect the irresponsible. By 1978 there were more people receiving regular government checks than there were workers in the private sector.
What follows, if we are to judge by the history of fallen civilizations, is described by Albert Jay Nock in his book Memoirs of a Superfluous Man (1943):
"... closer centralization; a steadily growing bureaucracy; State power and faith in State power increasing; social power and faith in social power diminishing; the State absorbing a continually larger proportion of the national income; production languishing; the State in consequence taking over one 'essential industry' after another, managing them with ever-increasing corruption, inefficiency, and prodigality, and finally resorting to a system of forced labor. Then at some point in this process a collision of State interests, at least as general and as violent as that which occurred in 1914, will result in an industrial and financial dislocation too severe for the asthenic [weak] social structure to bear; and from this the State will be left to 'the rusty death of machinery' and the casual anonymous forces of dissolution."
Modem civilization offers a great variety of diversions, amusements, and enticements - some of them baneful. But modem civilization does not offer many inducements to the performance of duties, except perhaps monetary payment, and certainly it does not teach people that the real reward for responsible citizenship is the preservation of a free society.
It is not money that can induce citizens to labor and sacrifice for the common good. They must be moved by patriotism and their attachment to the Constitution. And patriotism alone, ignorant boasting about ones native land, would not suffice to preserve the Republic.
Thus it is that on the occasion of the Bicentennial celebrating of the Constitution, a mighty effort ought to be made to restore the American public's awareness of the principles of their government, of their responsibilities toward their country, their neighbors, their children, their parents, and themselves to be sure that their patrotism is based on this solid foundation. No one knows how late the hour is; but it is later than most people think. Love of the Republic shelters all our other loves; and that love is worth some sacrifice.
Nearly all of us are quick to claim benefits, but not everybody is eager to fulfill obligations. We have become a nation obsessed with rights, forgetful of responsibilities. In an age of seeming affluence, a great many people find it easy to forget that all good things must be paid for by somebody or other - paid for through hard work, through painful abstinence, sometimes through bitter sacrifice. Below we set down some of the causes for the decline of a sense of responsibility among some American citizens.
The growth of an American welfare state, over the past half-century, has produced in the minds of a good many men and women the illusion that somehow somebody in Washington can provide for all needs: so why make much effort to fulfill what used to be considered personal responsibilities? As Alexis de Tocqueville remarked, a century and a half ago:
"Democracy in the United States will endure until those in power learn that they can perpetuate themselves through taxation."
In other words, the temptation of public men in Washington is always to offer to have the federal government assume fresh responsibilities - with consequent decay of local and private vigor (it might be argued that, at least in part, a failure in the proper exercise of citizens' responsibility permitted the development of the welfare state syndrome - that the government owes them a living. In any event, once it got under way and the welfare state grew, the sense of citizens' responsibility and rugged individualism deteriorated).
The increase of the scale of society and the size of government has bewildered many Americans, inclining them to think that the individual can accomplish little or nothing in a responsible way, engulfed as he seems to be by the overwhelmingness of it all. It was easier to see ones personal responsibilities in a Massachusetts township or next door to a Virginia courthouse, in 1787, than it is to perceive what one's duties to country and community may be in the New York or Los Angeles of 1987. When one contemplates the enormous size of the federal government, then the exercise of individual citizen responsibility seems almost hopeless.
Until the 1930s, and in many schools later than that, young people learned their responsibilities through the lively study of history, government, and especially imaginative literature that taught them about human dignity and human duties. But in recent decades, especially during the 1960s and 1970s, the disciplines of history and government have been supplanted by a vague social stew," and the study of great literature and philosophical ideas has given way to anthologies of relevant" - and often depressing - third-rate recent writing. So the function of the schools as places where responsibility would be taught - an expressed hope of several of the Framers of the Constitution, John Dickinson among them - has been ignored.
Of all social institutions, formerly the family was most active and successful in teaching young people their responsibilities. But since the Second World War particularly, the American family has been weakened by economic changes, both parents being gainfully employed (often to pay for increases of taxation, in large part), the triumph of the television set over family conversations, the influence of periodicals read by young people, and a considerable range of challenges to parental authority - many times encouraged by judicial decisions and actions of the education establishment. At the same time, the influence of school teachers and of the clergy in perpetuating this strong sense of responsibility has diminished. So, in some degree, the restoration of a sense of responsibility depends upon the family's recovery of authority.
The fundamental impulse to accept responsibilities and perform duties, in every society, has been religious in origin. Individuals obey moral laws and do their duty because of awareness of duties toward God. Religion teaches that there exist natural laws; and that if individuals try to ignore those natural laws, they find themselves in peril, individually and as a society. People who deny the reality of the Divine tend to shrug off their responsibilities to other men and women. Thus, weakness in religious awareness commonly leads to the decay of personal responsibility in many walks of life.
These are only some of the reasons why a 'permissive" society speaks often of rights and seldom of responsibilities. A time comes, in the course of events, when abruptly there is a most urgent need for men and women ready to fulfill high and exacting and dangerous responsibilities. And if there are no such citizens, then liberty can be lost. It must be remembered that the great strength of the Signers of the Declaration and the Framers of the Constitution was that they knew their classical history, and how the ancient Greek cities had lost their liberties, and how the Roman system had sunk to its ruin under the weight of proletariat and military state.
What may be done by way of remedy? Although America's social difficulties are formidable, probably they are less daunting than those of any other great nation today. The economic resources of the United States remain impressive; and the country's intellectual resources are large.
This essay cannot offer, in its small compass, a detailed program for the popular recovery of devotion to duty. Here we can only suggest healing approaches:
Like moral virtue, responsibility is first acquired in family and home. Nobody does more to injure a sense of responsibility than a parent who abandons children to the television set and the peer group, "liberating" them from household chores and study at home. Assigning and enforcing duties within home and family, though it may seem stern at first, is kindness to everybody in the long run.
In the family, as well as in the school, the imagination and the intellect can be introduced to the literature of responsibility - for such does exist, and young people are much taken with this literature if they have not already been absorbed into a juvenile "counter-culture." It was not many years ago that boys read, for instance, Theodore Roosevelt's and Henry Cabot Lodge's Hero Tales from American History, with its stirring descriptions of George Washington; of George Rogers Clark conquering the Northwest; of the battles of Trenton, Bennington, King's Mountain, and Stony Point - to confine ourselves to Revolutionary fighting - of Gouverneur Morris, the most brilliant delegate to the Constitutional Convention, with his one leg and his crippled arm, refusing to flee from the Jacobins in Paris. In such true tales one learns what responsibility requires. And it was not many years ago that girls were reading about the heroines of ancient times and modern - about Hypatia, Joan of Arc, Abigail Adams. We learn our duties from learning about men and women who did theirs. One recalls James Wilson's words, quoted at the beginning of this essay: "He, who steadily pursues the road of patriotism, has the most inviting prospect of being able, at some times, to perform eminent ones."
In schools, the pupils need to be rescued from the sham subjects of "social studies" and "civics," ordinarily the most boring and empty disciplines in school curriculum, and introduced instead to real history and to the Constitution and American political institutions. From studying genuine historical figures and genuine politics and literature of the past, young people can come to apprehend what a citizen can do for his country.
Perhaps the best way to renew responsibility in American society is to assume responsibilities one's self. It may be difficult to find the time, and painful to fight one's way into politics at any level; nevertheless, some honest men and women must do so if the Republic is to endure another two centuries - or perhaps to the end of the twentieth century. From running for Congress to campaigning for the office of drain commissioner; from publishing a newspaper to writing a letter to the editor - there is no end to the responsibilities that may be undertaken, to the general benefit. The apparatus for doing one's political duty still exists, thanks to our Constitution.
To fulfill one's moral responsibilities through the agencies of a church, neighborhood, and personal charity may not be exciting; yet the example of duty does win converts, and one lays up treasure in a place unaffected by manipulated currency. To give aid and comfort to fugitives from Communist lands, say, is such an act as the Signers and the Framers would have approved heartily; and it teaches moral responsibility to one's children.
Ultimately, the recovery of a sense of responsibility is bound up with the recovery of the old concept and virtue of piety - gratitude toward God for his gift of life, gratitude toward one's ancestors, concern for one's children and descendents. Such a sense of responsibility is in keeping with the philosophy upon which the nation was built - Creator-endowed rights and responsibilities.
In your own circumstances, you may encounter opportunities for the renewal of responsibility more promising where you live than any suggested here. In any society, it always has been a minority who have upheld order and justice and freedom. If only one out of every ten citizens of the United States of America should vigorously fulfill his responsibilities to our civil social order - why, we would not need to fear for the future of this nation.
In all previous cultures, children ordinarily accepted responsibility for the well-being of their parents in old age; and in various societies, the children were so held accountable in law. Why has this form of responsibility decayed in the twentieth century? Can you think of political and social causes for the care of elderly parents being turned over to public agencies?
Can you name seven or eight voluntary associations or organizations, not subsidized or directed by government, that perform important services in your community or in America generally? Explore the benefits from this kind of involvement as opposed to "letting the government do it."
Responsible citizenship sometimes brings risks - all the way from unpopularity in some local dispute to pushing forward under enemy fire in military action. How may schools help to teach the rising generation the high importance of performing duties that may be dangerous?
Are you and I personally responsible for our decisions and actions, or are we simply creatures of our environment, "conditioned" to respond in one way or another to events and challenges? Marshal the arguments on either side of this question, and then consider the probable social consequences of believing in freedom of the will, or believing that society, rather than the individual person, is responsible for citizen's actions.
What are you doing to help preserve the great principles on which this nation and your personal freedoms are based?
Our Ageless Constitution, W. David Stedman & La Vaughn G. Lewis, Editors (Asheboro, NC, W. David Stedman Associates, 1987) Part VII Essay (Dr. Russell Kirk & La Vaughn G. Lewis, Co-Authors): ISBN 0-937047-01-5 Read more
I”m not a fan of Libertarians - but many of them (at least those that I know personally) have FAR more in common with us Conservatives than we have different.
Indeed - out of the sizable group of self-identified Libertarians I know - 95% of them are pro-life (strongly) and anti-homosexual. I think the disagreement/misunderstanding we have on those issues - Libertarians view those issues as state issues.
ILLEGAL Immigration is the fundamental issue
Ron Paul- probably the most Libertarian GOP member flipped and went PRO open borders last election cycle- thus dooming his already slim chances
I agree that we have more in common with liberty loving folks of all stripes BUT with amnesty EVERY state becomes solid Democrat as did CA
Bush actually got 62M in 2004. So Romney’s totals were still below Bush’s.
Maybe dumb it down for the 99%ers I call it "greed". Greed comes in many forms, including lobbyists, government czars, local unions, etc.
Wonder just how far re branding will take the new GOP (pun).
Leaving Boehner in the Speaker’s chair was a mistake.
Did anyone challenge him? I have missed a lot of news lately.
The GOPe blames conservatives like Democrats blame Bush. Neither one of them can accomplish anything, but rather than learn from their mistakes, they blame a bogeyman.
In 2016, right on cue, Republican apologists like Limbaugh and Hannity will show up to browbeat us into obedience. Remember: the GOP is our only hope for survival! Why, just look at how well they’ve helped us so far!
The great irony of these scheisters is that they use the same faulty logic as the Democrats (the economy would have been WORSE without the stimulus!) and nobody notices.
It may well be time for the Tea Party to become a party. They can operate like the Conservative Party of New York State: running the Republican only when he or she is conservative enough. Otherwise they run their own. Let the chips fall where they may.
Boehner did not start selling us down the river in 2012; wasn’t he doing it in 2010, or even earlier? The people of OH and the Republican primary voters never understand.
It’s not just Democrats that blame Bush; I do too and all of them! No Jebbie 2016!
This is why I became a registered Independent.
Call House Speaker John Boehner Now
Office Phone Number: (202) 225-0600
I called Boehner’s office, but because of the “volume” of calls, had to leave a message. But if you leave your name and address you can ask that your objection be part of public record. I know it won’t change anything, but when the GOP “wonders” why it can’t win anymore, we can point them to this kind of garbage.
I love asking these questions.......
#1 What good are principles and values if you don't follow them?
Romney supports giving "rebels" [Al-Qa'ida] weapons in Syria. Romney supports abortion. Romney supports socialized medicine. Romney supports "assault" weapons bans. Romney stated he was amenable to taxing the top income earners. Romney supports queers in the military. Romney supports queers in the Boy Scouts. Romney supports queer "marriage.".............so does Hillary Clinton.
#2 If Hillary became an (R) and was running against 0bama....would you vote for her? If so, why/why not?
Bawling Bohner is dead to me as is the GOPe party...
Why is it again that conservatives stay with the Republican Party?
Maybe conservatives need to start running as democrats...
Like libs have ran as republicans...
Been saying for many years that we need a new conservative here in America but was informed that we need to capture the old back. Said that will not happen but the gop clingers continue to stand with the old winebidders of the gob party and many will not waste their vote on the new liberal democrat party of gobbers and snobbers.
Conservatives need to abandon that albatross and put on the mantle of conservatism only come what may.
( We should all chip in, and buy Boehner a burial plot next to Roberts.)
Ha, ha ha. Yes indeed. And make sure their buried next to
Benedict Arnold, their American forerunner.
Hard to imagine Pelosi has more balls than Boehner. Has there been a more worthless house speaker for conservatism? So tired of listening to all the wafflers as if Obama has titanium marbles.
Newt Gingrich was nominated by Louis Gohmert of Texas and some of tried to mount a campaign for Allen West through the Tea Party caucus. Neither effort went anywhere.
I don't think there was any challenge from within.
If the Tea Party doesn't get busy supporting the conservatives in congress we'll be ignoring our responsibility.
That’s why they have a vote for Leadership in January (if not before).
Meaningless unless considered as a total percentage of the population, and unless compared to the final results.
The current republican party elite are working with the democrat party in a massive coupe!
The republicans are in the process of destroying the GOP from the inside knowing that the Conservatives are about to go third party. This holds little concern for them because they plan to join with the democrats by changing to the democrat party creating one massive center left party under democrat control.
Without viable competition there won’t be any way to stop their agenda creating a one world government starting in the US first.
I hope I’m wrong, but recent events point in that direction.
Thr time is now. Purge all Boo hoo bahner people . Form real Tea Party with billions of dollars and let’s Tea Party!! These socialist republicrats can bite my butt.
Who is Boehner replacing them with?
“The next Speaker of the House will be chosen shortly. Why doesn’t the whole conservative grass roots movement get behind an effort to replace Boner with Paul Ryan?”
Why waste the time fighting over the corpse of the gop?
“I’ve come to the conclusion that total economic collapse is inevitable. On the plus side, Eastern Europe emerged rapidly from the ruins of communism. A quick collapse, with a default on the debt, could force a return to the economic “state of nature” —a market economy.”
I don’t see the end result being like eastern Europe, I see it being more like the USSR.
As to who is blamed for it, that will depend on where you started. The left will blame capitalism, of course. The right will more correctly blame a legacy of profligate spending that couldn’t be maintained. We’ll see if the right wing actually addresses the underlying problems of the birth dearth, amorality, an educational system working at a 3rd world country pace, the death of the work ethic, etc.
That's a real possibility.
At this point, I'd take Putin over Obama.
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