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To: allmendream; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; tpanther; Gordon Greene; Ethan Clive Osgoode; betty boop; ...
So your premise is that the antibiotic resistance existed before the antibiotic was invented?

And evolution explains it how?

An interesting, if idiotic, supposition. At least you are consistent!

By your own words you are condemned.

If antibiotic resistance were not somehow *programmed* in by evolution, then no bacteria would have survived to become antibiotic resistance.

So the creationist premise is that antibiotic resistance was programmed in by the Creator.

The evolutionary premise is that it just happened.

*It just happened*? How scientific is that?

Let me guess, *Once upon a time a mutation occurred that would make bacteria be antibiotic resistant before antibiotics were invented, and so this mutation just hung around for millions to billions of years and meanwhile spread through the gene pool waiting in breathless anticipation for the day when mankind would invent antibiotics so it could express itself.*

49 posted on 12/04/2012 6:58:19 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
How does it happen that a bacterial develops antibiotic resistance?

Let us say some idiot Creationists supposes that “either I got infected with the resistant strain or I didn't - evolution cannot happen” and stops taking their antibiotics as soon as they feel better, but before all the bacteria are dead.

Those bacteria are now subject to stressful but not lethal levels of the antibiotic.

Under stress many bacteria start using error prone DNA polymerase to reproduce their genome instead of the usual high fidelity DNA polymerase - this increases their mutation rate. Thus any new variation (that did not previously exist in the population, but was created through mutation) that helps it survive the stressful levels of antibiotic tend to predominate in subsequent generations of the bacteria. This is known as natural selection of genetic variation. Note that the variation was created through error prone DNA polymerase in this example - it did not previously exist in the population.

Thus the bacteria comes back from an ineffective treatment of antibiotics as one that has developed antibiotic resistance. The idiot gets sick again, and now needs a different antibiotic than the one that would have been effective if they had used it correctly.

Thus we see the HARM that your anti-science denial of reality can cause. People who don't accept that bacteria are capable of evolutionary change are less likely to understand science and thus use antibiotics correctly - and so they are more likely to contribute to the evolution of antibiotic resistance.

55 posted on 12/04/2012 7:48:31 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: metmom; allmendream; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; tpanther; Gordon Greene; Ethan Clive Osgoode; ...
*It just happened*? How scientific is that?

Sorta like Topsey, “it just growed”?

81 posted on 12/04/2012 10:38:41 AM PST by YHAOS
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