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To: dragnet2
I saw the change to illegals first hand.

My entire career was in the Chi Metro Area and nothing got done that wasn't done by a union construction worker (in this case it's good they are highly skilled). And there comes a point on a job when you know it's finally coming to an end -- when 'The Rock Goes Up', aka: Drywall installed.

And one day you notice, like out of the blue, the on-site radios switched from blasting Rock & Roll, Mo-Town and Blues to ... Mariachi! The Drywall jobs that 'kids' and Blacks used to do were now being done by 'Hispanics'.

This 'change' also crept to other areas of 'dirty work' -- Ditch Digging (not everything can be done with a machine). This Laborer job once almost all Black was 'now' turning Brown.

Luckily I never had to compete with these trades. So all our competing costs were pretty equal and this is where your Estimating experience came in [plus the 'intangibles' ;-)]. The only big unknown costs was what WC Ins would be due to how many claims you may have.

At one point there was only one GC who *tried* to use all Non Union Subs on his jobs that 'we' were on a select bidder's list of six pre-qualified contractors. The client finally got tired of that GC being picketed and 'disqualified him' -- his legal right (those were sweet times).

If any one group has been decimated by Illegals it's Blacks. Their once good & high paying jobs are now gone. Roofing would fall into this lost job category too.

I've had a 42 yr love hate relationship with the Union Construction Trades. But even today I wouldn't go into a 'big building' built by non union workers. Granted there's union jerks but they DO learn their craft during their apprenticeship.

101 posted on 12/03/2012 5:28:23 AM PST by Condor51 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: Condor51
If any one group has been decimated by Illegals it's Blacks.

I'm sure that's true. And they have migrated to "careers" of crime and govt assistance.

109 posted on 12/03/2012 6:34:42 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Condor51
Roofing would fall into this lost job category too.

I watched two hispanic guys shingling last week. I swear you couldn't design a robot to do it faster. The guy on the peak was "sliding" shingles down to the guy who was nailing with a nail gun. It was a constant blur of motion.

110 posted on 12/03/2012 6:40:10 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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