1 posted on
11/30/2012 5:57:49 AM PST by
Thad Lost
To: Thad Lost
Boehner and the GOPe are perfect tools for Obama. Either going over the cliff or abstaining on all votes and allowing the Rats to have everything they want would be better strategies than embracing an Obama deal.
2 posted on
11/30/2012 6:05:15 AM PST by
Truth29
To: Thad Lost; jdsteel; GVnana; Kaslin; SeekAndFind; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; ..
RE :”
The Republicans have already painted themselves into a corner. When they agreed to the sequestration deal back in 2011, the Republicans gave away their strongest negotiating points. The cuts the GOP agreed to back in 2011 would be the most painful for the GOP. This was John Boehners brilliant idea that would force negotiations to reach an equitable settlement.
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Unfortunately for the Republicans and for America, the Obama Regime has no interest in fair agreement. They do not look at negotiations as a forum for compromise so that the best ideas can prevail. They look at negotiations as another battleground just like elections. They do not want a fair agreement. They want to win. (DUHHHH!)
Obama approaches these negotiations knowing a couple of things. First, his team has done such a good job of messaging on the fiscal cliff; most polls show the public will blame the Republicans for the fiscal cliff.
Obama knows the drive by media will cover him. They will dutifully report that anything other than a complete capitulation will be portrayed as Republicans trying to protect millionaires and trying to screw the middle class.
The other thing he knows is he has an opponent who has no stomach for the fight. John Boehner will not stand and fight. When you have an opponent who will not fight, why even try to be reasonable.
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Obama believes he is in the drivers seat. He believes Boehner will fold and give him everything he wants. If Boehner folds and gives Obama everything he wants, not only does Obama continue to destroy America, he destroys the Republican Party at the same time.
Boehner has a BATANA. It is to simply walk away from the negotiations. Boehner should realize that even if the fiscal cliff turns into a disaster now, by the time the 2014 elections come along, the fiscal cliff will be long forgotten. What will not be forgotten is if Boehner surrenders to Obama”
The above is pretty accurate, and he says what I been saying for almost two years:
1) Obama wants to win
2) I dont know what Republicans want, to whine?
I would add to his advice:
Pass a partial extension of the taxe cuts in the House <$250K, send it to Senate and cover every talk show and run commercials pointing out that Oama’s key argument (Rich vs middle class) has been neutralized. You protected 'the middle class'
Then ask Obama what HE needs and what he is willing to pay for it.
3 posted on
11/30/2012 6:11:35 AM PST by
sickoflibs
(Has Bohner caved to Obama again yet?)
To: Thad Lost
“Boehner should realize that even if the fiscal cliff turns into a disaster now, by the time the 2014 elections come along, the fiscal cliff will be long forgotten. What will not be forgotten is if Boehner surrenders to Obama.”
Ridiculous. If we go over the cliff the media will spend the next 4 years bashing repubs about it just like they blame the 2008 collapse on us. The best solution is to vote present, let Obamanomics ruin the country and then we pick up the pieces.
4 posted on
11/30/2012 6:12:19 AM PST by
Brooklyn Attitude
(Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
To: Thad Lost
I disagree that the ‘blame with be forgotten in the 2014 elections.”
The one thing these progressives are damn good at is messaging blame and making it stick.
The country is done, over, toast...all that is left is to split the spoils....
8 posted on
11/30/2012 6:42:12 AM PST by
EBH
(0bama is guilty of willful neglect of duty.)
To: Thad Lost
I heard on Fox that Emperor 0bama wants authority to raise the debt ceiling as he pleases. Then there would be no debt ceiling. Anyone who doesn’t think he wants to be/is a dictator is sadly mistaken.
To: Thad Lost
From the article:
"If he (Boehner) does (capitulate), it will mean the end of the Republican Party as a national party." And this will be a "bad" thing?
18 posted on
11/30/2012 7:04:46 AM PST by
ImpBill
("America, where are you now?" - Little "r" republican!)
To: Thad Lost
Obama has also asked for the Republicans to surrender the debt limit control to Obama’s executive power.
The networks are not reporting this fact.
Obama is trying to change the balance of power between Congress and the executive branch.
Boehner needs to grow a pair and finally realize he is dealing with a fascist movement lead by Obama.As the article says, Obama is not interested in a fair deal, he is interested in destroying the Republican party.And he has succeeeded , and this would be the coup de grace.
Tea Party needs to rev up and become a national party.
Obamas fascism, a primer:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html
22 posted on
11/30/2012 7:46:39 AM PST by
Candor7
(Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
To: Thad Lost
Each and every Republican should just walk past the reporters with their head hung down. No comments and no interviews.
24 posted on
11/30/2012 9:06:01 AM PST by
blueunicorn6
("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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