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Just What Was Fundamentally Wrong with Bolshevism?
Frontpagemagazine ^ | November 29, 2012 | Steven Plaut

Posted on 11/29/2012 5:29:21 AM PST by SJackson

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To: SJackson
Certainly producing services was not understood by them as productive labor, explaining why the quality of services of all sorts in the Soviet block remained abysmal all the way down to the fall of communism.

Stopped reading right there. Good post up until then. Communism has not fallen, it's been disguised, and it is HERE.

FMCDH(BITS)

21 posted on 11/29/2012 7:42:13 AM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: SkyDancer

They spawned the killing of 80 to 100 million people all over the world. Read “The Black Book of Communism” it is time well spent.


22 posted on 11/29/2012 7:59:16 AM PST by phormer phrog phlyer
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To: dfwgator

Funny or sad thing is it was the university students that started the whole thing. It wasn’t the workers. It was rich students who started the protesting of the Tsar thing.


23 posted on 11/29/2012 8:16:41 AM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church shows up at your funeral.)
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To: SJackson
"Bolshevik leaders (Trotsky in particular) generally had never done a day of honest labor in their lives in any factory or farm; their entire “careers” consisting of political activism. "

Sounds just like Bronco.

24 posted on 11/29/2012 8:28:22 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2
Sounds just like Bronco.

That's a clue to those who see it. :)

25 posted on 11/29/2012 8:29:51 AM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: Cronos; SJackson; MrB

Our founders understood all to well this basic flaw in human nature, and tried their darnedest to build a cage around it with the US Constitution.

Utopianism will always, Always, ALWAYS fail, except in very finite, controlled situations as explained by Cronos.

MrB is right on the money. A leftist will NEVER acknowledge this, because it is contrary to their basic belief system.


26 posted on 11/29/2012 9:25:58 AM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: MrB

Hahaha...heck. I don’t know why I am laughing. Liberalism is built on so many faulty basic premises, and we have let them get away with it for years.

I think Ann Coulter once said something to the effect that they take a faulty premise and build a huge, monstrous edifice on top of it, and we crash against the edifice instead of digging at the faulty assumption.


27 posted on 11/29/2012 9:29:57 AM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: SJackson
Just What Was Fundamentally Wrong with Bolshevism?

According to Marxist/Leninist theory, there are four phases to the revolution:

1. Revolution of the proletariat
2. The dictatorship of the proletariat
3. The withering away of the state
4. Ultimate freedom of the collective

Problem is: Phase 3 never seems to happen.

28 posted on 11/29/2012 9:57:43 AM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: SJackson

“Just What Was Fundamentally Wrong with Bolshevism?”

What is fundamentally wrong with lies, theft, terror, torture, enslavement or murder?


29 posted on 11/29/2012 10:07:58 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: rlmorel
The communists considered payment of incentives to peasants for delivering food to be anti-revolutionary and capitalist.

In the current vernacular, I believe that's "YOU didn't grow that!"

Kinda spooky how life in America today echoes the Old Country that Grandpa escaped 100 years ago, ahead (thank God!) of the Povolzhye Famine & Holodomor that wiped out millions who stayed behind.

Established in the US, hearing what happened to family in the Workers Paradise, Grandpa got himself a gun, and I'm told he noted, "Someday the Bolsheviks will come knock on the door here, but I'll be ready." Yes, Grandpa understood exactly what the Second Amendment was about: no longer an unarmed peasant at the mercy of murderous apparatchiks.

As little as ten years ago, I would consider such remarks silly & extreme, a product of his life experience.
"Never in America!" I would think.
Today, I feel very foolish, and sad that we've allowed the country to slide this far down the commie rabbit hole.

30 posted on 11/29/2012 1:20:08 PM PST by Nevermore (...just a typical cracker, clinging to my Constitutional rights...)
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To: Nevermore

Damn. I could not agree with you more wholeheartedly.

Sad.


31 posted on 11/29/2012 4:41:29 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: SJackson
And this is exactly what Obama and his merry band of socialists/Marxists want for Americans. Utopians = community organizers = ignorant of real world experience or skills.
32 posted on 11/29/2012 10:44:52 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: Nevermore

>>>>>Kinda spooky how life in America today echoes the Old Country that Grandpa escaped 100 years ago, ahead (thank God!) of the Povolzhye Famine & Holodomor that wiped out millions who stayed behind.<<<<<<<<

Some ten years go I’ve read an article “Good bye, America!” by Russian professor Mark Zalzberg working for US univercity.

He has immigrated to USA circa 1985 and his article has started with the idea that it can’t be published in any American paper due to some kind of censorship called editorial policies.

And his main idea was that 2000s USA has more and more similarities with 1920s Russia. He slammed PC and affirmative action as a way used by some kind of people to ruin and control American society which he joined to escape it.

I wonder if you can find this article in English. It sounded really weird long time ago but now it seems to be absolute different.


33 posted on 01/31/2013 11:47:21 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: SJackson

The problem with this article is it doesn’t consider the facts of the Soviet economic life other than pertaining to the Russian Civil War time. The USSR survived a bit more.


34 posted on 02/01/2013 12:37:12 AM PST by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: buffaloguy
Oddly enough there is no known example in world history which would support that view as national and regional economies are simply too complex to be managed by a few

You've posted here many points I'd agree with, but check the Ancient Egypt's economy. The key to their prosperity were their irrigation channels and constructing them required nation-wide labour mobilisation. Therefore the arable land belonged either to the king, or to a temple. The same is for Ancient Middle East.

35 posted on 02/01/2013 12:46:15 AM PST by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
If you go back to the basest caveman existence, there are three means by which an individual can satisfy their needs and wants

Not really. No caveman would have hunted by himself, it required a collective effort of the tribe's fit men. The same is for domestic activities of their women. Cavemen would seek a higher social status to gain more. It looks like the best javelin thrower gets the largest portion and the prettier women would have interest in him.

36 posted on 02/01/2013 12:55:53 AM PST by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: buffaloguy

>>>The Soviet economy at its height during Brezhnev’s reign never produced anymore than 1/4 of the US living standard on a per capita basis. Miserable performance because it was a political system that had nothing to do with economics.<<<<

In fact 1/4 of the US living standard is not that bad to way too many societies.
I think socialist dictatorship is a pretty nice interim form of government for some people, for example in Middle East.
If Soviets could effectively install their version of government into Afghanistan it couldn’t be such a mess right now. Just compare former Soviet “stans” to Afghanistan or Pakistan.
Former communists are easily convertible to free republican values, unlike 7th century cavemen.


37 posted on 02/01/2013 2:33:17 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: SJackson

Very good article


38 posted on 02/01/2013 4:18:02 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Freelance Warrior

That’s why I qualified my remarks as the ‘basest’ cave man existence. Having hunting partners was in essence, a luxury, and a cave man that had become detached or expelled from his clan would have had no choice but to attempt to satisfy his own needs.


39 posted on 02/01/2013 4:18:07 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Having hunting partners was in essence, a luxury, and a cave man that had become detached or expelled from his clan would have had no choice but to attempt to satisfy his own needs.

Since cavemen were "pack animals", such lifestyle wasn't a luxury. The technology didn't allow an individual to support himself for a prolonged time. That was more like at war: a machinegunner doesn't trade his fire for a bazooka shot and vice versa. Teamwork instead; so did the cavemen, and their life was like war.

40 posted on 02/01/2013 5:25:41 AM PST by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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