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To: bray

I’m very proud of you Bray but since I’m mentally rebuilding the pubs or a new Tea Party, this abortion thing is a problem.

I really don’t want to argue. I think abortion is murder. I’d be all in favor or the legality, timing and such of it was left to the states.

But it’s not a good Republican/Conservative item and it will NEVER be made illegal, ie Roe vs Wade will NEVER be overturned. Goodness, you saw what happened over free birth control, if you think any gain would be made to eliminate abortion I got a bridge to sell.

It’s silly to say abortion should be made illegal in the event of rape or incest only. THAT’s not going to work, get thinking cap on. The Dems/Soros/media buddies will have two commercials. One will show a woman with a purple bruised face, ragged torn clothes, split bleeding lips: “The Republicans want me to have my rapist’s baby. He left me like this now I must suffer nine more months plus the pain of childbirth.”

The alternate would be a young girl of 13, obviously pregnant, very sad in terms of her youth, a child still with more growing up to do. “My father raped me for years. Finally I got pregnant. Now Joe Schmoe the Republican candidate wants me to have my father’s baby. What did I do wrong?” (this sort of thing works for ASPCA commercials, the dems know how to use emotion while pubs are wimps at it.

And if a woman doesn’t want a pre-born child, she just declares she was raped or the father was her brother and boom, she’d be eligible for a “legal” abortion.

Don’t tell me about DNA and other such. In the case of rape, they spiked my drink, it was date rape, even if DNA was taken for proof. For incest, well I don’t know. Whatever, whatever, abortion is a losing issue.

Best to fight for the states to take over the legality of it all but even at that the pubs are awful at making a point, we know it.

Even the taking of DNA for proof of incest or rape seems harsh to a woman already dealing with an unwanted pregnancy. Man I can see the commercials now...”She was raped by a serial rapist; now she must endure a test of her truthfulness and baby paternity or she will have to bear the child of her rapist.”

I’m so good I can write these commercials for the Dems/Soros.

Finally, if you think an unborn child is meant to be born, making an exception for rape or incest seems....weak-kneed. I know people who think unborn babies or such questionable conception are still children of God and deserve to be born. Frankly I feel that way too. To take two different positions on the matter depending on the conception of the unborn child seems disjointed to me.

Leading to a Republican stand that it’s okay to kill the unborn baby in certain circumstances.....I have more respect for those who are stalwart in their love for the unborn than those who think it depends on the conception/who fathered it.

Still and so, then I’ll shut up for a bit, there is a way to deal with the matter of abortion way better than the pubs have for the last ten years. Women, all of them no matter what stupid things they might say, do NOT want to kill the baby they carry. Women want the father of the child they carry to hold them tightly in their arms, to assure them that he will take care of the baby and love her (the mother) forever.

THAT’s what women want and a brave Republican should say that for God’s sake.

THIS IS WHEN YOU USE EMOTION FOR GOD’S SAKES!!!


39 posted on 11/25/2012 6:58:04 AM PST by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: Fishtalk

I have news for you Fish, the issue is not hurting us. Getting our our vote is hurting us and when we become RepublicRats our Conservatives don’t vote. People are starving for leadership and running away from moral issues is not leadership.

We have a system which gets 90-95% of the Repubs to vote and are developing it to get the Independents we want. That is how you win elections and especially local elections. You find the voters to match your message not find a message to match the voters.

Pray for America


45 posted on 11/25/2012 7:09:55 AM PST by bray (Nov 6, tell Obama to Stand Down!)
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To: Fishtalk

The issue is going to be asked every election since they believe they have the upper ground. I understand your point but when does life begin and when does that baby deserve Constitutional Rights as an individual?


54 posted on 11/25/2012 7:29:28 AM PST by bray (Nov 6, tell Obama to Stand Down!)
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To: Fishtalk
I don't believe abortion is a losing issue. We just need to frame it in an emotional way. To sell pro-life to younger people we should try something like this.

You are lucky to be alive. When you are enjoying your Christmas dinner with the whole family, appreciate your parents for they could have aborted you. In fact, they may have aborted an older brother or sister. There might have been more family members to share in the joy of the season. For 2 generations now, Americans have been choosing to abort their unborn children at the rate of over a million a year. You may have had more aunts and uncles or cousins if not for the ease in which democrats think that human life should be ended for convenience.

Democrats are so concerned with a woman's right to choose to be kill their unborn babies, that they don't think of the harm they cause to us all. They'll bring up rape and incest - and those are legitimate quandaries - but the majority of abortions are performed on women who simply don't want to be pregnant. Liberals have taught your generation it's normal to have sex before marriage, to hook-up, to be sluts, to experiment. They appeal to people's basest instincts. Abortion is so easy, and Abortion is big business and abortionists are big democrat donors. So abortion is good. What they haven't told you is there are consequences - diseases, unwanted pregnancies, and shattered lives.

They say they want abortion to be legal, safe and rare. Well, it is legal, but not safe and certainly not rare. 1 and a half million babies are killed in the womb every year. Your nieces, nephews, sons and daughters are being murdered every year. That is a tremendous waste of potential brain power. 50 million future Americans wiped out under the surgical techniques of democrat donors. Who can even argue that this is a good thing? Yet some elected officials act as though lives are just collateral damage.

Democrats teach you it's your body and you can do what you want. They are making it acceptable for you to be no more than barnyard animals, who have no control over their natural desires. Liberals have made children disposable, which led to fathers being disposable. Many of you grew up with no dads. Women were taught they don't need a husband and children don't need fathers. Children of divorce and children of single moms, do you agree? How different would your life had been if your dad had been there?

They say they're open minded when they encourage us to do what we know in our hearts is wrong. It's not true, but they say it anyway. Ask yourselves why. Why is it so important to them that teenagers have sex? What is their agenda in saying it's ok to experiment? Why does it bother them that some people encourage abstinence? Why should they care if some people want to be chaste? Ask yourselves why is abstinence education so threatening to their agenda? Why do they want you to act like animals? Which position is better for you and society in the long run? Ask yourself, if children are the future, why do democrats advocate the killing of the children?

104 posted on 11/25/2012 10:03:44 AM PST by Betty Jane
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