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To: Fishtalk
I’ve read a lot of the provisions of Obamacare, how it will be enforced, how it will work. Frankly, it’s not all that bad.

I question your understanding of Obamacare and how it will work. Leaving aside the onerous and odious Big Government approach to healthcare that never works anywhere it is tried, putting something down on paper is no guarantee of success. The real world has a way of intruding on the utopians who fail to grasp what motivates people and human behavior. I forgot who said it, but essentially only Americans can make communism work.

So if a person does NOT have health insurance as required by Obamacare, they will take your tax refund and attach your paycheck to pay the penalty.

The law provides a phase in for the individual mandate and its penalties: In 2014, $95 penalty or 1.0% of individuals’ income. It rises to $325 or 2.0% of income in 2015, and $695 or 2.5% of income in 2016.

I can see many healthy adults choosing the penalty and not getting insurance, which will raise the costs of medical care since the insurance companies are planning on an infusion of healthy enrollees who will pay into the system and thereby decreasing overall costs. Since you can get health care coverage with preexisting conditions, why not wait until you really get sick before enrolling?

If subject does NOT have health insurance their paycheck will be attached and only if they work thereonin under the table will subject be safe from gubmint attachment.

I wonder how that will work at hospital ERs that must treat all patients, including the 12 to 20 million illegal aliens. And aside from the government attaching earnings, there is no criminal penalty. I can see enforcement being fraught with all kinds of problems. How much government intrusion into one's life and how large a bureaucracy will be necessary to enforce these provisions? Very few tax returns are audited now. I can see fraudulent paperwork to substantiate that one has health insurance.

But we lost the battle.

You can lose the battle and not the war. In any event, if you really want to inform yourself about the real impact of Obamacare, take a look at this analysis by the Heritage Foundation. This isn't only about how the IRS will enforce the individual mandate, it is about how Obamacare will destroy our economy and lower the quality of and access to health care. You have a rather narrow view of what this is all about or how estensive the impact will be on all of us.

The Case Against Obamacare:

114 posted on 11/25/2012 12:40:20 PM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

Kabar,

please.

Do not question my understanding of Obamacare and how it would work, you’re smart but damn you’re a bit smug.

I understand plenty about Obamacare. You know a lot but you don’t know EVERYTHING.

You make points, points that need long discussion, not just a quick snide on a FreeRepublic thread.

This country will never turn away people from an emergency room, insurance or no insurance, even with the illegals using ER’s as a doctor’s office.

We, implicitly to be sure, agree that it is better to err on giving care as called for than to have ER people sorting out who has insurance, who has not. That is a job for God.

I understand the law provides a graduated entrance into OBama care, what’s your point? The law also gives those making under $97,000 or thereabouts a subsidy on their annual cost of health insurance.

See Kabar, I KNOW that Obamacare is a crappy law, about a big a piece of crap ever crafted. It HAD to be to get it passed.

Now it’s the law of the land and I really don’t care if you don’t like it. It’s been run through the Supreme Court, it’s been run by the voters, it’s been discussed, mocked and debated. Ryan offered an alternative and the voters didn’t buy it.

Just cause Kabar don’t like it won’t make it go away.

Sure the House could not fund it, try some tricks. It’ll just make the pubs look small, appear to be thwarting the will of the people.

You provide a lot of facts and figures, and good arguments, but there’s so MUCH you leave out.

You must be a Blue Blood Republican or something.


115 posted on 11/25/2012 1:23:14 PM PST by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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