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Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 25 November 2012
Various driveby media television networks ^ | 25 November 2012 | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

Posted on 11/25/2012 5:07:30 AM PST by Alas Babylon!

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To: bray
We had a poster here who worked on a committee at BYU Law School that a cousin of mine was and is the driving force behind. She started spouting abortion and other libertarion crap, I called her on it.

I mentioned that I had a cousin on the committee and that abortion was an abomination. Haven’t heard from her in a couple of years, she was a long time FReeper too.

51 posted on 11/25/2012 7:24:47 AM PST by Little Bill (A)
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To: Alas Babylon!
Honestly, I cannot think of one Republican who has a chance.

Pre-Crash or Post-Crash? After the economy collapses the public will be in a very different mood, and will be able to see the difference between builders and takers. Until we crash, too many people are taking the position that "things are okay, so let's vote for the free stuff guy or not vote at all."

Of course, that is working on the notion that we have already gone over the cliff, or at least reached the Point Of No Return.

With all that said, Pre-Crash Republican candidates for President will continue to look like Democrat-Lites, such as GW Bush, McCain, and Romney.

Post-Crash Republicans (or Conservatives, if you prefer) will have more leeway with the public.

And right now, any Republican who was not involved in getting closer to the cliff or PONR stands a much better chance than an establishment type. But, Pre-Crash, it will be a tougher road.

52 posted on 11/25/2012 7:26:00 AM PST by Bernard ('He that is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else' - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: PaleoBob

And how is your charismatic household name leader who can raise a billion bucks realistically and win for our side?


53 posted on 11/25/2012 7:26:27 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: Fishtalk

The issue is going to be asked every election since they believe they have the upper ground. I understand your point but when does life begin and when does that baby deserve Constitutional Rights as an individual?


54 posted on 11/25/2012 7:29:28 AM PST by bray (Nov 6, tell Obama to Stand Down!)
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To: Alas Babylon!

AB....

....those free cell phones are paid for by taxes on our cable bill. Comcast was not given permission to buy NBC until they agreed to give free cell phones to everyone with certain qualifications such as eligible for food stamps, on disa....etc.

The reason this was negotiated with the big cable companies was that oncit, when all phones were in the home it was determined, by those in charge of emotions, that poor souls on welfare can’t get a job if they HAVE NO PHONE!

Thus it was determined that a phone should be provided, free of charge, to the poor. Once cell phones became all the rage it was agreed on that, well hey, now we should give free CELL PHONES to the poor. The pubs knew nothing about this?

It’s as much of a product promo as an actual need. They get free minutes with their free cell phone but not all that many. Of course they then use their welfare money to buy minutes and when the dust settles, cable companies kind of break even on the deal while you and I pay for this, so cleverly....take a look at your cable bill folks. Mine has almost ten bucks a month extra for fed taxes....then some for state.

I say give out the free hats by TAXING hats bought by others, like the cell phone thing. Simultaneously with the free hats for life campaign, we have another campaign about head lice.

“Your child will never get head lice on the Surgeon General certified lice-free headgear by approved hat vendors”.

This is how you do this guys, I got to tell you everything?

How about all Americans get a free home security system by ADT?

We tax ADT for all sales and those poor homeowners who can’t purchase a safe alarm to protect them against intruders who would murder them.

Pubs need to think outside the box else the Dems/liberals will take over the world.


55 posted on 11/25/2012 7:30:37 AM PST by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: Bernard

Your post sounds logical until you look at Greece. They have already crashed. What happens? The losers riot in the streets demanding more free stuff. Meanwhile the producers have long since left town.


56 posted on 11/25/2012 7:30:41 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: rodguy911

You nailed it RG. I didn’t want the mantle but it has been given to me and I have to lead. The world is starving for leadership and that is what I intend to do.

While Obozo carried this state 60/40 we held two of our State Reps and won two mayoral slots. One in the biggest town in my district by using our system. We will dominate the off year elections.

Pray for America


57 posted on 11/25/2012 7:32:31 AM PST by bray (Nov 6, tell Obama to Stand Down!)
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To: PaleoBob; TomGuy; Alas Babylon!
re: Old Media.

Yep, too early to call 'em dead, but don't we see a move to internet news sources that we view when we have time...on our own individual monitors, smartphones, ipads, etc..

Of course, that only addresses "news" programming, which I feel will decline. Politics in entertainment TV is another loser, and as we've seen, very important and another loser. Mitt wasn't hipp.

58 posted on 11/25/2012 7:33:03 AM PST by chiller (Do not consume any NBCNews;MTPTodayNightlyNewsMorningJoeMSNBCBrianWilliams)
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To: Fishtalk
It's just another manifestation of our Big Democratic Media Party problem.

You know that these guests are selected on purpose to set the agenda for the week. Having these same guests week after week is part of that game.

Others are not invited because they would spoil the game.

But you're right about them not knowing how to fight back.

How about this:

A big-name CONSERVATIVE writes the show host asking to be on. When they get no reply, or a NO reply, go public with that. Screech, rail and howl! Publicly ask the media why they have McCain on and not you. Berate them for being cowards for not letting a “Real” conservative on to debate them, as opposed to the malleable phonies. Expose them for the partisans they are!

This is doable in a thousand different ways. When you give a speech or talk, challange the media to tell the truth. Bring up Candy Crowley. Read Newsbusters everyday and publicize the things they find. Get others from your party to do the same. Act like Chuck U. Shumer everytime you spy a microphone and camera and GET ON IT!

Think about why they went after Allen West and why the blatant vote fraud against him. The saddest thing there is how no Republicans had his back. I think the cowards really think the crocodile will eat them last.

59 posted on 11/25/2012 7:33:21 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!

Thanks for thread A.B. Well, the Buckeyes ended 2012 undefeated 12-0. Now what?


60 posted on 11/25/2012 7:33:33 AM PST by shalom aleichem
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To: bray
We will dominate the off year elections.

Please keep this in mind, all. Not only in Bray's case in Oregon, but all over as in 2010.

61 posted on 11/25/2012 7:35:24 AM PST by chiller (Do not consume any NBCNews;MTPTodayNightlyNewsMorningJoeMSNBCBrianWilliams)
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To: TomGuy
HW Read My Lips and Open Checkbook George have tainted the GOP AND Bush name for decades.
62 posted on 11/25/2012 7:36:04 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Little Bill

When we decide to go on offense rather than defense, good things happen. My county is going to be an experiment for running Conservative candidates in a Blue state. Let’s see what happens.


63 posted on 11/25/2012 7:36:53 AM PST by bray (Nov 6, tell Obama to Stand Down!)
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To: shalom aleichem

Now what?

We’ll see Alabama and Notre Dame in the BCS Championship Game.


64 posted on 11/25/2012 7:43:15 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: bray

From experience, find your Guy or Gal, and start knocking on doors tomorrow.


65 posted on 11/25/2012 7:45:49 AM PST by Little Bill (A)
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To: bray; All
He claimed to have results showing how over
half the women were not voting for us due
to the Life issue and it was turning them off.
It's Called Murder; what about taking responsibility..
Margaret Sangers (1883-1966) beliefs'
"The most merciful thing that a large family does to
one of its infant members is to kill it."
On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders" spawning
human beings who never should have been born.
the self-hathred of liberal ideology is (simply) amazing..
Welcome to OBozo's DeathCARE & all of its' assoc. taxes, America..

66 posted on 11/25/2012 7:52:01 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Anger a Conservative by telling a lie; Anger a Liberal by telling the truth....RWR 8-)
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To: Alas Babylon!

AB.....

....I see you’re getting it!

Your idea of constantly publicizing who they call to speak, who they deny, .....it’s how we have to start doing.

My summary of this recent election, bearing in mind that I was WRONG about the election result, wrong almost as much as Dick Morris, is as follows:

Look at Romney. Look at Ryan. Romney, rich guy, mid-sixties, good looking, rich, perfect kids, grandkids, beautiful wife....religious, an okay speaker. Look at Ryan, a bit of an odd look but basically wholesome, Catholic, cute little kids....

...I think American just decided that Romney wasn’t for them. This is century 21. We’re beyond Leave It to Beaver/Fathwer Know’s Best types.

The above is a simple knee-jerk summary but it’s what I think happened.

More, and this will inflame some of you....this thing about Republicans constantly predicting doom ain’t working.

It’s not that I don’t believe there’s financial rocks ahead. I own a home, I work, I got bills.

The pubs, they always predict gloom and doom, some of you too, and for now even I look around and ponder on what they base this.

Further, in my day as a liberal I recall a couple of things the pubs did that was just flat out wrong-headed.

Airbags in cars.

That’s right. The pubs were all against mandatory air bags in cars, something fought for vehemently by the Dems who received insurance companies’ big bucks to promote air bags.

The debate over air bags is a typical political thing, as pubs we do encourage private industry input into the process no?

Air bags are one of the best safety devices ever invented. The car companies boohooed and the pubs predicted financial armageddin.

Here’s a good one....and it happened to me and affected me more wrongly than anything America ever did.

Now I don’t know why or what imbecile came up with the idea, but it was President Nixon who, for whatever reason he was convinced it was what needed doing...FROZE MY WAGES!!!!

Yes he did, it happened to me. I was young, mid-20’s, worked at Western Electric, up and coming, smart, beloved by my employers. I was up for a step increase in my grade and DENIED IT BECAUSE OF A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT!!!

Why on earth would a Republican ever advocate freezing of an individual’s fair market salary? My company, not wanting me to quit and go get another job, actually gave me an imaginary promotion because salaries could go up in the event of a promotion.

Again, I’m not clear on why it was done but I know it was a Republican president who froze my wages and what the hell on earth did I do as I struggled to achieve my American dream to deserve that?

Point is, Republicans sure the hell ain’t always right so who says they’re right now?

They’re out an about telling Americans we’re going off some cliff, the world will end, women will lose their birth control then be denied abortion to double the whammy.

Hey, make no mistake, right now I’m very anti-Republican. They don’t represent me and I question every thing they do.

The pubs have never been able to explain with the vigor needed why cutting expenses is needed because, come on guys, those Blue Bloods have a lot of things going on in their districts....

.....we need a Tea Party. I volunteer to be a scribe when the time comes.

I nominate AB to lead the free hats for life campaign.


67 posted on 11/25/2012 7:54:04 AM PST by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: Little Bill
We are going to start knocking next month. We will only knock on Repubs and Independents and leave the commies alone.
68 posted on 11/25/2012 7:54:57 AM PST by bray (Nov 6, tell Obama to Stand Down!)
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To: bray

I wish you luck Bray, and much success.

AB will help you with the Lice Free Hats for Life campaign and I’ll be the snarky scribe.

‘)


69 posted on 11/25/2012 7:56:13 AM PST by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: PaleoBob

You bring up a good point about the MSM. The Old Media is morphing into a melding of Hollywood pop culture and old style news. The best examples are Colbert and Stewart. This is dangerous and effective propaganda.

Going on offense and being aggressive is the best response to it. Romney showed in the first debate that is effective. But then went back to the tip toe strategy and lost.

We need to lay out the facts and mock the dims for their truly insane economic policies because it is the only way to connect with these swing voters.


70 posted on 11/25/2012 8:00:57 AM PST by lodi90
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To: Alas Babylon!
To me the single biggest issue is what we gather here for every Sunday: The media.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

....snip....

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.


THE 45 COMMUNIST GOALS AS READ INTO THE CONGRESSIONAL RECORD, 1963

The left and their sponsors - the commie party - have been working at these same goals for almost 60 years (2-3 generations) and the sheeple of America have learned NOTHING, absolutely nothing. President Kardashian!!
71 posted on 11/25/2012 8:01:41 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: PaleoBob

Good observation about Rush not pursuing conservative media enhancement ala Glenn Beck does with every fiber of his being.

I believe most newspapers were once owned by conservatives. Maybe they were simply overwhelmed by the flood of brash investigative “journOlists” from libery schools, and literally sold out?

Some like Richard Mellon Shaif of Pittsburgh and Rupert Murdock got pummeled into submission by personal attacks and exposes.


72 posted on 11/25/2012 8:03:46 AM PST by shalom aleichem
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To: rodguy911

My problem with Rubio is his taking the amnesty baton and running faster with it than McCain and Graham. And, he is a Senator. Legislators do not make good executives. We have one of those in the WH now.

My problem with Palin is that her whole family discovered Hollywood reality TV. That moved her in the direction of $$$ rather than party politics. Of course, the MSM pretty much ruined her chances at a national political office. Her stepping down during her governorship didn’t help either.


73 posted on 11/25/2012 8:04:07 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Fishtalk; bray

Pat, you’re almost there too when you talk about the 21st Century.

But you bring up the past like it was yesterday—Nixon froze wages 41—thats FORTY-ONE—years ago.

To a huge number of voters, that was before they were born! Heck, half of them never even saw Ronald Reagan on live TV. Clinton is the first president they can remember thinking about.

The America that used to be is a figment of us older voter’s memories.

Can we envision and articulate an America that is yet to be, an America that’s even BETTER than what she used to be?

Can we do so with the Big Media Democratic Party against us?

No, not with the current crop of “leaders” in the GOP.

So I’m not all doom and gloom. I’m just resigned to the fact that while I type away at this keyboard, I’m not doing much more than any of these GOP leaders.

Things have got to change, but I’m not up to being part of the change.

I do salute both you and Bray for standing up and being involved, so I’ll defer to your collective leadership...

To paraphrase Princess Leia, “Help us Fistalk/Bray (and activists like you—not the GOP), you’re our only hope!”


74 posted on 11/25/2012 8:07:19 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: lodi90

It was either Colbert or Stewart, both of them full of themselves but liars like the celebrated tend to be.

But one of them got in Bill O’Reilly’s face and declared that he knows for a fact that Fox news viewers are more ignorant on politics and national affairs than other citizens.

This sounded so wrong to me and while I don’t like Bill O he did research this, did a sample history/current events quiz and proved the liar sooooooo wrong.

Just like that, if they have no rebuttal....THEY LIE!

If the pubs would recruit money to start a network, hire a movie director.....tackle the media, they could show this example of how they lie on us.

For now, they are holding on to their cherished Blue Blood spots because they know they are complicit.


75 posted on 11/25/2012 8:10:33 AM PST by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: bray

You might direct liberals & libertarians to Nat Hentoff...

http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/nvp/hentoff.html

He has some excellent arguments for the pro-life position.


76 posted on 11/25/2012 8:10:33 AM PST by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: lodi90

It was either Colbert or Stewart, both of them full of themselves but liars like the celebrated tend to be.

But one of them got in Bill O’Reilly’s face and declared that he knows for a fact that Fox news viewers are more ignorant on politics and national affairs than other citizens.

This sounded so wrong to me and while I don’t like Bill O he did research this, did a sample history/current events quiz and proved the liar sooooooo wrong.

Just like that, if they have no rebuttal....THEY LIE!

If the pubs would recruit money to start a network, hire a movie director.....tackle the media, they could show this example of how they lie on us.

For now, they are holding on to their cherished Blue Blood spots because they know they are complicit.


77 posted on 11/25/2012 8:10:44 AM PST by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: bray
Everyone, secure the base and harass the enemy. once the commies realize the screwing they are going to take you can win over a few, have your issues in order.
78 posted on 11/25/2012 8:11:02 AM PST by Little Bill (A)
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To: rodguy911

I don’t feel the need to pick a 2016 candidate right now. We are at Ground Zero. The GOP has failed miserably in opposition to one of the worst presidents in history.

The GOP needs to EARN our votes starting now. We are not off to a good start with Barry leading Boehner by the nose through the fiscal cliff talks. Then there is amnesty right around the corner. Not looking good...


79 posted on 11/25/2012 8:11:31 AM PST by lodi90
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To: Fishtalk; Phsstpok

Speaking of mispelling your name and attempting to correct it here FisHtalk, got me thinking about Phsstpok.

I wish he could weigh in with some of his wisdom once in a while!


80 posted on 11/25/2012 8:11:31 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: chiller

Mitt wasn’t hip


Agree on the main point, but also the average O /Joe voter doesn’t realize
that hip doesn’t but a better life in place for you.

Sure you can have public housing, O phone, food stamps, etc...

But sooner or later, the rung beneath you will want yours, and you will find
there’s no where to go, and then maybe realize that

Hip was not where it was at.....


81 posted on 11/25/2012 8:14:17 AM PST by patriotspride
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To: TomGuy

AMNESTY!!!

So okay, why can’t a Republican say that the American citizenry already granted mass amnesty during the Reagan era, granted it with a promise that borders will be strengthened and future illegal immigrants will be handled better.

Why couldn’t Romney say this? Why don’t they understand why we object to this, that we did it once, that we’re back to square one, that fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me?

Why can’t a Republican say this?

Cause they want the Hispanic vote is why. They call us insensitive, ....the Blue Blooods have not done us right.

period.


82 posted on 11/25/2012 8:14:33 AM PST by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: Bernard
Pre-Crash or Post-Crash?

I really think that there is one thing that kept Obama from losing, as Carter did. That thing is hyper-inflation.

Yes, inflation is happening, but the Admin and the MSM have managed to keep it off the front pages. It has been more subtle than under Carter. Even the high gas prices (nearing or just over $4) started going down a few weeks before the election. Co-winky-dink? Nah, it was planned to help the status quo.

Now that Obama is safe for the next 4 years, we will see 'revised' unemployment numbers heading toward reality, and we could see hyper-inflation manifest itself very soon.


83 posted on 11/25/2012 8:14:51 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Alas Babylon!

and then when Tide humbles ND, the Buckeyes will transition into AP’s #1....? (Yea, like I thought “P. Ryan” was going up on mailbox at Cheney’s house)


84 posted on 11/25/2012 8:16:32 AM PST by shalom aleichem
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To: Alas Babylon!

Nixon froze MY wages. Why?

Point is, yeah most voters don’t remember this. Point is, the pubs, they get talked into most any silly thing.

Remember how they convinced the very, very dumb HW Bush that he had to raise taxes even though he did that “read my lips” thing.

41 years, huh?

The pubs have been wrong for that long cause freezing someone’s wages should NEVER have been part of any Republican’s agenda.

My point is.....it’s not like they’ve been right or anything. Given a chance the pubs lie down like tired dogs, roll over and do what the other party tells them to do.

And don’t forget the air bags. Republicans called air bags a form of communism.

Snort.


85 posted on 11/25/2012 8:19:04 AM PST by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: Fishtalk
Once cell phones became all the rage it was agreed on that, well hey, now we should give free CELL PHONES to the poor. The pubs knew nothing about this?

The program did not originate under Obama. It originated under Open Checkbook George W.

Even so, the Pubbies didn't know how to take credit and use it.

Which brings up another contention: I sometimes wonder whether the GOP really do want to win and become the Congressional majority and have the White House. That means they have responsibility. Why take that on, when, as the minority, they still get 'stuff' in legislation; they just don't get as much as the Majority party does. They seem very contented to be minority.


86 posted on 11/25/2012 8:21:17 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy

Tis true, so-called Obama phones were started under Dubya, once again using emotion that we sob over the poor who can’t get a job for lack of a phone.

Lesssee.....cell phones, no child left behind with Ted Kennedy (why couldn’t the pubs tell the country that making deals with senators who left young women to die is not a good idea?), air bags, freezing wages....

Come on....why should I buy the pubs’ version of things?

I say again, BOTH parties have failed.

Time to start a new one.


87 posted on 11/25/2012 8:24:26 AM PST by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: Fishtalk

It’s not necessary to start a network. Just get in the gutter with the dims and fight them. Hit the dims with some populism and Twitter sized zingers. Like the 80 billion in “green” subsidies = 2 million teachers from the debate. We should be hearing those kind of jabs EVERY Sunday from the beltway GOP.


88 posted on 11/25/2012 8:25:10 AM PST by lodi90
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To: lodi90

I’m game.

Here’s the thing....as we discuss, josh, snark....we know the problem and WANT to change it.

The Blue Blood elected....well why can’t they get a pub on Twitter....come up with a system?

And dear Lord you are so right about those GREEN subsidies. Now that I think about it, I don’t recall Romney mentioning that debacle that Americans would get. Romney could have mentioned that while Obama’s throwing money at cronies in the silly green industry he could be giving them more minutes on the free cell phones.

41 years these guys have been buckling under, not getting it.

Should we put in for 41 more years?


89 posted on 11/25/2012 8:31:39 AM PST by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: Bernard
Pre-Crash or Post-Crash? After the economy collapses the public will be in a very different mood, and will be able to see the difference between builders and takers. Until we crash, too many people are taking the position that "things are okay, so let's vote for the free stuff guy or not vote at all."

I have a theory on why folk on the right might have sat out this election - ROBERTS showed a lot of people that there is no fail safe anymore.

IMHO there has to be a crash before anyone wakes up in sheeple filled America.
90 posted on 11/25/2012 8:38:00 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Alas Babylon!

I must admit I agree but why do our candidates win in the south and mid west? How do we instill our values in the rest of the US? We have to figure out a way.


91 posted on 11/25/2012 8:42:34 AM PST by mtnwmn (Liberalism leads to Socialism)
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To: Fishtalk

“Flocks of us poured into DC to protest, “speak” of our discontent.”

We protested in the thousands against ObamaCare.....what good did it do us?


92 posted on 11/25/2012 8:50:40 AM PST by mtnwmn (Liberalism leads to Socialism)
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To: Fishtalk
Why? Here's why:

For example, such Republicans who stand against AMNESTY such as Rep John Fleming

And Sen. Jeff Sessions


93 posted on 11/25/2012 8:51:48 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: MissMagnolia

You are right. Our county GOP won all but one this last election.....state and county. We had better candidates and they worked very hard to win and win they did.


94 posted on 11/25/2012 8:57:10 AM PST by mtnwmn (Liberalism leads to Socialism)
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To: upchuck

I mostly watch C-Span. In the morning they have Washington Journal. They read from different Newspapers, ask a question and let the viewers call in with their opinion. The hosts never give their own opinion about anything.

They do have guests and will ask them questions and viewers call in with their own questions.

When the House is in, no matter what they are showing, C-Span cuts to it.

In a few minutes, they come in and get started.
No matter what they say on some show, you get the real deal on C-Span.

C-Span2 has the Senate. Most of the time, they are in a quorum call. But they really get down to it when arguing about a bill.


95 posted on 11/25/2012 8:57:54 AM PST by carenot (We'd rather hold on to the myth than fight for the reality)
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To: lodi90
Swing voters my a$$,

Swing voters are just "grown-up" schoolyard children. Just like when a fight broke out in school the masses in an instant, go with the "winner". Not with the one who articulates their "policy" better.

We need to stengthen our base which in turn will make us stronger, which will attract more; A) base voters, & B)mushy "swing" voters.



Until the RNC-E desires to "win" this cant happen.
96 posted on 11/25/2012 8:58:33 AM PST by John 3_19-21 (Stand for something or fall for anything.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
the working poor

It not understanding opportunity cost.

But they will soon, there will be no opportunity for many. Forget buying a car or a house, you will pay for the Democrats Health Care Bureaucracy! And get nothing! And little opportunity for a full-time job.

97 posted on 11/25/2012 8:59:46 AM PST by Son House (Romney Plan: Cap Spending At 20 Percent Of GDP.)
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To: patriotspride

Hopefully, the hip realization hits ‘em soon. Similarly, liberalism is easy and feels good. Conservatism requires some thought, some work and doesn’t feel good until the end.


98 posted on 11/25/2012 9:06:02 AM PST by chiller (Do not consume any NBCNews;MTPTodayNightlyNewsMorningJoeMSNBCBrianWilliams)
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To: mtnwmn
We protested in the thousands against ObamaCare.....what good did it do us?

Well it did us pretty much NO good,came recent election and we were shocked that we are now the "minority". Another lesson from last election, thanks for giving me segue.

I'm sure arguments could be thrown out that many Conserv voters didn't turn out, that Obama had fake voters, that this alleged "minority" status of what Nixon used to call the "silent majority" isn't written in stone.

True. But there's been a status change, let's agree on this and move along.

For the record, I see the country divided pretty much evenly and there's many who just need a charismatic inspirational leader to lead them. Would this have been McCain, control your laughter? Would it have been Dole, who spoke of himself in the third person this was the best the pubs had? Romney was close, a guy who would have waltzed to victory in 1990 given the economy and the country's demographics?

These Blue Blood guys, tired of repeating the mantra here, just ain't doing it. We'll never move on until we agree on this. They don't like it and they've got power. Our power is our numbers but there's that thing about herding cats.

So what good did our protests against Obamacare do? No good at all. Sit down guys, take a breath.

OBAMACARE WON!

Sure we had reasonable concerns, it was possibly the most horrible piece of gubmental excretia put into law in the history of the country. But it was debated and discussed, the pubs did okay railing against Obamacare, Ryan had a proposed solution.

Guys, we lost the issue. Fifteen minutes to sob cause the Supreme court passed it over to the voters, de facto that's what they did. If you believe in majority rule buys, accept that gubmint health care is here to stay. The best we can do is get busy fixing every damn thing wrong with it.

I got lots of ways to fix Obamacare, as expected, but for now I hope mntwm's lament that our protests against Obamacare didn't ward it off was simply because.....we lost the issue.

99 posted on 11/25/2012 9:06:19 AM PST by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: Cheerio; Alas Babylon!
IMHO there has to be a crash before anyone wakes up in sheeple filled America.

So true.

100 posted on 11/25/2012 9:10:05 AM PST by mcmuffin ("236 Years- Only In America")
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