[AnotherUnixGeek]

Why should “we” need to win them over?

Because that's what political causes in a democracy do if they want to be successful - they win over converts.

I agree, end the immigration.

It's not going to happen. We can't even stop illegal immigration by building a border fence - couldn't get it done during 12 years of Reagan and Bush 1, couldn't get it done under 8 years of Bush 2. Legal immigration is not going to end. And if conservatives can't offer those legal immigrants something more worthwhile than the original poster's slander, those legal immigrants are going to vote Democrat.

[A_Former_Democrat]

Then let them sink us into oblivion and see if you and others think the same, because that’s what going to happen.