From my reading (and I can’t read everything, too busy), the St. Lucie County numbers are confusing because apparently there were 2 ballot cards for each voter. That said, it is obvious even from my news perusal since the election that there was massive election fraud in many states and districts.
Anyone who claims that the fraud was not enough to change any outcomes is wishfully thinking at best. There was much evidence of egregious voter fraud in many locations. At this point, the Dem party is nothing more or less than a marxist criminal gang. They break any rules they want with impunity, and the Rs act like a bunch of neutered bunny wabbits, with a few notable exceptions.
Stockholm syndrome is rampant on FR. We’re in a coup. Pretending that we are not and we can “try again” next election is pathetic and only postpones any real fight back against the illegitimate administration. (for two reasons; massive election fraud is one, and illegitimate non-legally eligible “president” the other.) Pretty soon it will be like Egypt, don’t forget that 0moslem’s good buddy in Egypt Morsi just got bunches of US tax dollars to assist in creating a hardline Muzzie dictatorship. Yesterday or so Morsi just made up new constitutional rules or whwatever granting him dictatorship powers. Look to see more and more of that, now that the “election” is over, 0moslem will be flexible.
Excellent, as usual.
Thanks LJ
There were two cards but the election results add up to about 70%. Obama won 66k to 56k out of 175k registered voters. The two cards (one for ballot questions) account for the 140% claim. When looking at most of the fraud claims, it is not obvious at all. I looked through a lot of the counties and independent cities in VIrginia and compared to the demographics (I didn't have registration numbers). It was obvious that the blacks and liberals got out to vote and the rest did not. Obama won in Loudoun county which is well-off and pretty much as fraud-proof as a county can get.
Stockholm syndrome is rampant on FR. We’re in a coup.
The coup is mostly unelected bureaucrats that are slowly strangling American independence and capitalism. The war on coal is a good example. Most Americans would vote against it if they knew about it. But the official and media response when it was brought up was: 1) there is no war on coal and 2) coal is dirty and bad and needs to be ended. Apparently many Americans are too stupid or self-absorbed to see what is going on, not Freepers but the conservative media does not have a big reach.
All we want is evidence. The pro "we lost for fraud" crowd has a lot of generalities (It's inconceivable that [insert perfectly conceivable thing here] could happen, so it must be fraud), but no actual evidence of fraud. But to believe this crowd, you have to believe that politicians gave up without a fight when the evidence was clear. That is a truly fantastic claim. Politicians are the most competitive people around. They sacrifice their lives to try to win an office, often spending more money than they will make. They take months off work, they pour their time, money, and effort into the endeavor. They hit up friends, aquaintances, and strangers for money to finance their run. They subject themselves and their family to humiliation. All this because they want more than anything to win election. And now, we are supposed to believe that these fanatically-driven candidates were ALL beaten by obvious and easily recognizable fraud, and instead of fighting on, they just gave up, either because they are chicken, or weak, or spineless, or lazy. To believe this, you must live in a fantasy world. To these people, Allen West is an aberration, the one candidate among all who was actually willing to fight. Well, I've got news for them -- West is the norm for politicians. And he conceded. There was a REAL PROBLEM in the one county, they screwed up their early counts. He got them to recount, it didn't help him, and he conceded. That is what EVERY politician who was in the same position would do. And yet in this fantasy world of the conspiracists, there are places where Obama got 108% of the registered vote, and yet the republican running for local office just gave up, and Romney just gave up. (Neglect for the moment why these people want to have in office people who would so easily give up a fight). Of course, there was no such "108% vote" -- it's just one of dozens of misreadings of data that get into the echo chamber and become the false doctrine of their religion. (there was a county where the total registration was 108% of the census-derived voting age population. There are many reasons for this, the prime being that Ohio is the worst state for getting their registration roles cleaned up. The 108% is in a county with a college, and thousands of college students have moved out and not reported this. But interestingly, in the county with 108% registration, the total vote was only 57% of registered voters, instead of the Ohio average 67% -- in other words, exactly what you'd expect if you have 15-18% invalid registrations). In fact, every specific example given that can be investigated turns up perfectly logical explanations. But mostly they don't give specific examples, just sweeping statements ("Look at all the precincts that voted 100% for Obama" -- as if they not only got fraudulent democrat votes, but also erased republican votes, and those republicans all are oblivious and don't tell anybody "hey, I voted and now it says I didn't. In fact, there are alway precincts that vote near or at 100% for democrats, they are called inner city slums and this is where the democrats have mined voters while republicans are afraid to set foot in the precincts). I've offered in multiple threads to research any specific claim of fraud, and instead of people taking up my offer, they call me names, and brag about how they refuse to read anything that doesn't match their perception. That's not intellectual honesty, that's the kind of mindless idiocy we expect from our opposition. I've talked about how we need to educate the electorate that conservative principles will be GOOD for them, but apparently we first need to educate our own conservative activists in the basic notion if intellectual rigor and logic. We are becoming as stupid as the left pretends we are. And it makes our job that much harder, because each rediculous and easily refuted claim allows the media to ignore another real case of fraud. I don't think people on our side can fathom how badly the whole birther movement hurt us with the people we needed to leave Obama and vote for Romney. And the "voter fraud" sounds as much like sour grapes as "Sore/Loserman".
All we want is evidence. The pro "we lost for fraud" crowd has a lot of generalities (It's inconceivable that [insert perfectly conceivable thing here] could happen, so it must be fraud), but no actual evidence of fraud.
But to believe this crowd, you have to believe that politicians gave up without a fight when the evidence was clear. That is a truly fantastic claim. Politicians are the most competitive people around. They sacrifice their lives to try to win an office, often spending more money than they will make. They take months off work, they pour their time, money, and effort into the endeavor. They hit up friends, aquaintances, and strangers for money to finance their run. They subject themselves and their family to humiliation. All this because they want more than anything to win election.
And now, we are supposed to believe that these fanatically-driven candidates were ALL beaten by obvious and easily recognizable fraud, and instead of fighting on, they just gave up, either because they are chicken, or weak, or spineless, or lazy. To believe this, you must live in a fantasy world.
To these people, Allen West is an aberration, the one candidate among all who was actually willing to fight. Well, I've got news for them -- West is the norm for politicians. And he conceded. There was a REAL PROBLEM in the one county, they screwed up their early counts. He got them to recount, it didn't help him, and he conceded.
That is what EVERY politician who was in the same position would do. And yet in this fantasy world of the conspiracists, there are places where Obama got 108% of the registered vote, and yet the republican running for local office just gave up, and Romney just gave up. (Neglect for the moment why these people want to have in office people who would so easily give up a fight). Of course, there was no such "108% vote" -- it's just one of dozens of misreadings of data that get into the echo chamber and become the false doctrine of their religion.
(there was a county where the total registration was 108% of the census-derived voting age population. There are many reasons for this, the prime being that Ohio is the worst state for getting their registration roles cleaned up. The 108% is in a county with a college, and thousands of college students have moved out and not reported this. But interestingly, in the county with 108% registration, the total vote was only 57% of registered voters, instead of the Ohio average 67% -- in other words, exactly what you'd expect if you have 15-18% invalid registrations).
In fact, every specific example given that can be investigated turns up perfectly logical explanations. But mostly they don't give specific examples, just sweeping statements ("Look at all the precincts that voted 100% for Obama" -- as if they not only got fraudulent democrat votes, but also erased republican votes, and those republicans all are oblivious and don't tell anybody "hey, I voted and now it says I didn't. In fact, there are alway precincts that vote near or at 100% for democrats, they are called inner city slums and this is where the democrats have mined voters while republicans are afraid to set foot in the precincts).
I've offered in multiple threads to research any specific claim of fraud, and instead of people taking up my offer, they call me names, and brag about how they refuse to read anything that doesn't match their perception.
That's not intellectual honesty, that's the kind of mindless idiocy we expect from our opposition. I've talked about how we need to educate the electorate that conservative principles will be GOOD for them, but apparently we first need to educate our own conservative activists in the basic notion if intellectual rigor and logic.
We are becoming as stupid as the left pretends we are. And it makes our job that much harder, because each rediculous and easily refuted claim allows the media to ignore another real case of fraud.
I don't think people on our side can fathom how badly the whole birther movement hurt us with the people we needed to leave Obama and vote for Romney. And the "voter fraud" sounds as much like sour grapes as "Sore/Loserman".
Yet any time we ask for specifics we get the debunked laundry list.
Stockholm syndrome is rampant on FR. We’re in a coup. Pretending that we are not and we can “try again” next election is pathetic
Thus the appeal of Trump. Nobody really thinks we can elect a legitimate conservative anymore. Instead we go for the guy who might tip over an apple cart or two. IMO, it's part of the decline since Goldwater. Reagan did some good things but he also grew the government to our detriment.