Posted on 11/20/2012 5:31:41 PM PST by INVAR
So you are not on the same planet as the rest of us rational Conservatives that judge fruits, not pie-in-the-sky wishing wells.
Republicans need to stand up to this RINO bully.
This was one of Newt’s lieutenants.
... and that's the problem. The only way to get rid of Boehner is to get a conservative House member with some standing and respect to challenge him and solicit enough votes to beat him. The fact there is no one even trying means the problem is not really Boehner. Step #1 is to get a conservative House member(s) to step up and challenge him. We have to work on the House membership if we want this to happen in the future.
Any conservative that supports the RNC, RNCC, or any republican group is an idiot. The republican leadership are ALL New World Order socialists, and I mean all of them, is they are in a leadership position they are socilaists.
Right you are! The RNC unforgivably withheld funding in certain contests and overtly protested against the will of conservative voters.
The “crier” of the house makes my azz tired! I submit any independent witnessing “tears jubilee” exhibitions puked and decided to move on long ago.
The RNC neither gets any of my $$ or another vote until the “tanned one” exits stage left, where his Rino tan belongs.
Don’t care. I just left the Republican Party. They can pound sand as far as I’m concerned. They don’t represent me and haven’t for a long time.
I am all over a Conservative party if someone would start it. It would have to be truly conservative with a socially conservative platform with complete disregard as to who it discludes.
Your impression is probably only partly correct. The media will steamroll some bad Obama/Senate legislation by getting the RINOs to cave under "popular" pressure. Think about how they crashed the market before the second TARP vote. This vote will be worse. Boehner may be trying to be liked to some extent, but he's also trying to display a public face of reasonableness. The media will lie and say he's a intransigent right wing extremist but those lies will only go so far.
Nothing as idiotic in my opinion than making a deal with the devil and praying the traitors who hate you as much as the MarxoFascists do, will save us.
False dichotomy. Very broadly, there are three outcomes. first we put up your desired angry opposition leader and get steamrolled like TARP but worse. Second we negotiate to get as close as possible to the cliff and preferably over then deal with the Senate who will be begging for a deal at that point. Remember that the Senate owes a lot more to federal contractors than the house. Third, we stop all the bad legislation. The third option seems to be your goal. I would say it is a pipe dream.
Regardless of the three outcomes, the country is screwed because of the existing debt, Obama's war on coal (and capitalism in general), and Obamacare and other socialistic pressures. So really our argument should be over how best to pick up the pieces once Obama is gone. In that long range view I admit an angry leader is probably better.
See my previous post. We are just arguing about how best to lose. My way, what you call giving in, is to play the negotiation game to get the best deal (while rejecting the crappy ones in private). Your way is Custer's last stand. We lose either way, the question is what to do afterwards.
That was the same link you posted earlier.
And I still insist that Obama got all the marbles:
** McConnell’s grand scheme was supposed to back Barky into a corner, politically. How’d that work out for President Romney? Huh?
** Because Boner caved, Barky can spend AS MUCH money as he DAMN WELL PLEASES.
** Because Barky can spend AS MUCH MONEY as he DAMN WELL PLEASES — and he IS spending it — there is now ENORMOUS PRESSURE on Boner to raise revenue.
And he will! HIDE AND WATCH, SON.
He got the WHOLE DAMNED STORE. Most of it right away, the rest over time.
Boner salvaged NOTHING. NOT ONE DAMNED THING.
Kicked the can down the road, is all. Oh, and got re-elected and re-posted as speaker. That is ALL that sorry SOB cares about. US? not so much.
"Reasonableness"? Did you actually type that?
"Reasonable" today is defined as someone who surrenders and agrees with the Liberal/Socialist/Marxists and their ideology. John Roberts was described as 'reasonable' when he upheld ObamaCare.
The RINO establishment are lecturing Conservatives that they must be 'reasonable' - and capitulate to the enemy, so the GOP can be 'liked' by the majority.
It is far past time to be UNREASONABLE.
Then you wrote that lies only go so far. Well, there - you are wrong again. Lies don't matter anymore, even brazen ones. They have told lies so often that they are now accepted as gospel truth (The bad economy is still Bushs' fault). Lies go very far when unchallenged. But then, to call the Left out on their lies is... UNREASONABLE isn't it?
first we put up your desired angry opposition leader and get steamrolled like TARP but worse.
As opposed to putting up a make-nice-with-Marxists liberal like Romney to do battle with the Left and NOT get steam rolled??
It's time for anger. It's time for an UNREASONABLE and passionate opposition leader who does not know the word COMPROMISE and SURRENDER.
This is WAR, not politics any longer. If we want to play politics - then kiss all your liberty goodbye. ALL OF IT. Including your very life in the near future.
The third option seems to be your goal. I would say it is a pipe dream.
Like the tried and FAILED suggestions you outlined are NOT a pipe dream? Mine has the benefit of not having been tried. So really our argument should be over how best to pick up the pieces once Obama is gone. In that long range view I admit an angry leader is probably better.
If you understood history, you would know that Obama and the regime he is building will never be gone. There will be no 'picking up the pieces' - because reducing us to pieces IS Obama's goal.
If we are not going to fight and be unreasonable now - what makes you think the survivors of a national collapse who will be told it is all the fault of Capitalism and Conservatism - are going to 'pick up the pieces' in a fashion that serves liberty and not full-blown Marxism?
I will stand by what John Adams had to say about lost liberty: it is never regained. Liberty lost, is lost forever.
You can't stretch "reasonable" into any definition that is convenient for you. Obviously Roberts was not reasonable, and he is one more piece of evidence of how we will keep losing whether by covert threats or currying favor with the new justices or whatever caused him to make such a sloppy decision. Similarly caving by Boehner, if that's in fact what he does, will not be reasonable.
You do know what I am talking about, it's putting up the facade of being reasonable while working tirelessly to roll back the socialist advances. It could have been done by Romney with more good than bad results. Not perfect like you apparently want, but you will have a long wait with your strategy.
I never suggested not calling out lies of the administration. That should be done on all specific relevant issues. What I said before you twisted my words is that the administration will lie about the House opposition and try to portray it as extremist. My strategy is to diffuse those lies with the truth that we are not extreme and in fact represent the true middle of America. Your strategy is the opposite.
This is WAR, not politics any longer. If we want to play politics - then kiss all your liberty goodbye. ALL OF IT. Including your very life in the near future.
That's not just wrong, it's delusional. We lost an election because the conservative white voter base stayed home in ignorance and apathy while all the blacks voted and many liberals. We lost politically. We can't pretend that we lost some sort of battle like voter fraud because voter fraud did not decide this election, it only marginally affected the results.
Obviously Obama is going further with his war on coal (and American energy in general), and other various wars waged quietly through vendettas, bureaucracy, new regulations, business funding for cronies, etc. We will have to roll that back once we win again.
If you understood history, you would know that Obama and the regime he is building will never be gone
I understand history very well and learned from my mistakes. I thought Carter was good for a while. It was only as Reagan was reelected with my first Presidential vote that I started to realize the importance of America in the world and God-given rights and responsibilities. I understood the value of federalism and in fact devolving authority to the lowest possible level.
For example supporting completely locally controlled health care, locally funded for the poor, with volunteer doctors and my donations. That's one way to fight Obama's takeover of the health care system. The states can fight mandates like Texas fighting the EPA trying to shut down their major refineries.
Most of all you need to figure out how you are going to get support beyond a 20% angry base because I don't see it.
In 30 years, everyone has forgotten how Reagan did it. He didn't compromise in order to 'win' votes. He articulated Conservatism directly to the American people, and ignited the ideology that most Americans held that was firewalled by the media, even back then.
But we are no longer those people any longer. We're become a minority in our own country. We've suffered a coup - and everyone is closing their eyes and pretending the political game will continue as it always has during our lifetime.
We're past the time when elections actually matter.
You can't stretch "reasonable" into any definition that is convenient for you. Obviously Roberts was not reasonable,
You missed the point completely. Roberts' decision is applauded as reasonable by the MarxoFascists and their hordes. As I said, being reasonable today means Conservatives have to surrender and go along with the Left to be seen as reasonable by most Americans.
And when they do... Conservatives are still going to lose to Marxists. In a battle between a liberal and a Marxist, the greater Leftist is going to win. Appeasing the moderates is the same as appeasing Marxists.
You do know what I am talking about, it's putting up the facade of being reasonable while working tirelessly to roll back the socialist advances. It could have been done by Romney with more good than bad results.
Yeah right. That's why Romney is the President-elect, right? He 'won' enough votes because he knew how to put on the liberal fascade and actually create a record while governor of making that 'facade' look like a core ideology that did a lot to push back the Socialist advances in MA right? Do you have any clue how idiotic that comment of yours is?
What I said before you twisted my words is that the administration will lie about the House opposition and try to portray it as extremist. My strategy is to diffuse those lies with the truth that we are not extreme and in fact represent the true middle of America.
YOUR strategy is simply more of the same RINO crappola being force-fed to Conservatives pal. You do not understand this enemy at all. There is NOTHING that is going to diffuse the lies of the regime in power, the proof and evidence is all over the results of the election.
You sir, are clearly EMBARRASSED by Conservatism. That you think we have to PANDER to placate Leftists and attempt to diffuse their lies with truth they refuse to hear so we can 'appear' moderate to the rest of the country to win elections is what the RINO Elites in the GOP have rammed down our throats for 5 election cycles now. And it's LOST every single time.
That's not just wrong, it's delusional. We lost an election because the conservative white voter base stayed home in ignorance and apathy while all the blacks voted and many liberals.
That's what the Ruling Class Establishment liars are repeating over and over again. Interesting you are a consumer of it.
Clearly you have no clue what time it is.
Fine.
Enjoy your delusion while you practice your cognitive dissonance.
I understand history very well and learned from my mistakes. I thought Carter was good for a while.
You're stuck believing in a paradigm box that no longer exists. And if you understood history outside of your narrow political box - you might have understood what time it is.
Most of all you need to figure out how you are going to get support beyond a 20% angry base because I don't see it.
3% of the Colonists actually fought for independence. They were good and angry enough to fight against tyranny, to the point of laying their lives down to secure it. 3% was enough to tip the scales from tyranny to liberty. 20% is even better.
Our system is overthrown and corrupted. We are near the time when either the tree of liberty is going to be refreshed, or be cut down, burned and buried by the MarxoFascists that took us over from within without needing to fire a shot.
I am embarrassed by your half-assed war mongering. Where is your plan???
That's what the Ruling Class Establishment liars are repeating over and over again. Interesting you are a consumer of it.
Your world must be rather small. I talked to real conservatives I know in my rural county. I asked them why they stayed home and it was apathy in some cases, better things to do in others. Some who voted did so very reluctantly, they didn't like Romney. Others voted for Obama (I can't call them conservative, but they are also not liberals) They told me that Romney was a liar and other things they heard from the media.
I also work in Obama central (Arlington, VA). My black colleagues left work early to vote. There were long lines in that liberal area. In rural VA where I voted, I had no line. The only exception in my county was the precinct with the blacks and some liberals who live in town. There they had long lines. I looked through many Virginia results online and we lost the state because of black turnout and failure to capture the swing counties like Loudoun.
Our system is overthrown and corrupted. We are near the time when either the tree of liberty is going to be refreshed, or be cut down, burned and buried by the MarxoFascists that took us over from within without needing to fire a shot.
Again you present rhetoric and no plan whatsoever. There are specific ways I fight back against centralization. I help maintain 8 miles of road because having the state of Virginia do it would bring in too many regulations. I volunteer considerable time to that effort.
You do make a good point about Romney's ineffectiveness against Mass socialism. It is the creeping kind that ultimately results in a complete takeover. But at least he would have stopped Obama's war on coal and by extension, war on energy intensive American industry. We would have gained on the whole. But you are correct that he would not have stopped the steady gains of socialism including socialized medicine. Just slowed it down a bit.
War-mongering eh? The war is already begun on us by the enemy declaring revenge and initiating a French Revolution class war, and I'M the one warmongering??
You can go Dickerson on all the Patrick Henry's out there declaring the truth you don't want to hear. It doesn't change what the reality is.
Clearly, stuck-on-insanity folks like yourself would not be interested in any plan I have. I'm not confined to the box you keep yourself in. So given that, I guess my advice to you is that you plan to prostrate yourself before the MarxoFascists, play the game of appeasement, put your hope in a rigged election system and bury yourself low enough to try and fly below the radar of the crocodile you hope will eat you last.
The patriarchs referred to that kind of existence as licking the palms of your masters.
Us "warmongers" won't stoop to that level.
BUt if this is your choice: Locke and Load: The Right to Resistance then I suggest you and the other armchair warmongers spend some time on those threads instead of the Boehner trashing threads. Then maybe you'll come up with a plan. Or you can continue to play the game of "I don't have to tell you my plan" and "I can just quote some selected Jefferson and not worry about the details".
‘Broader set of ideas’ = play games with and ultimately capitulate to the domestic enemy.
That might be your plan, I reject it with utter contempt.
Boehner is aligned with the enemy. He heads a Vichy party and will sell what remains of liberty for a column of praise from Obama’s media citing his ‘reasonableness’ for giving our enemies what they demand.
And we will call Boehner what he is at every opportunity of need to do so.
I choose the right of resistance and as such, whatever plans I have, do not concern people like you.
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