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Fired Canton officer Daniel Harless wins back his job [threatened CCW holder with death][OH]
The Canton Repository ^ | Nov 14, 2012 @ 03:15 PM | Ed Balint

Posted on 11/20/2012 1:00:56 PM PST by FreedomPoster

CANTON —

Fired police officer Daniel Harless could get his job back if he gets medical clearance to return to work.

An arbitrator hearing Harless’ appeal ruled in the former patrolman’s favor. The 15-page ruling was dated Saturday and released by the city Wednesday.

Harless’ attorney indicated his client is unlikely to seek his old job, at least for now. He has been receiving workers’ compensation and has applied for a disability retirement pension.

But Harless now has the right to be back on the job, according to arbitrator Harry Graham.

PAST VIDEOS ON HARLESS: • VIDEO: Canton officer threatens citizen. July 28, 2011 • VIDEO: Harless behaving badly again? July 28, 2011 • VIDEO: Harless under investigation again? Aug 26, 2011

“Return to active service, if ever, is to be determined by competent medical authority,” wrote Graham, an arbitrator since 1972 and a retired professor of industrial relations at Cleveland State University.

Harless found himself at the center of an Internet-spurred firestorm after a police car video captured him threatening a man he pulled over about 1:40 a.m. in an area with a reputation for drugs and prostitutes.

During that June 2011 traffic stop, Harless screamed profanities and said he wouldn’t have lost any sleep if he would have shot and killed William Bartlett of Brewster. Harless had become enraged after he discovered Bartlett had a loaded .38-caliber pistol, which he was permitted to carry.

“As soon as I felt your gun, I should have took two steps back, pulled my Glock 40 and just put 10 bullets in your ass and let you drop,” the officer screams in the video. During the flurry, Harless also said he should have gunned Bartlett down for being stupid.

The video went viral on the Internet after being posted by Ohioans for Concealed Carry.

‘CONDUCT WAS DEFENSIBLE’

In January, Safety Director Thomas Ream fired Harless for making threats during multiple traffic stops. Ream cited a pattern of verbal abuse and making physical or death threats.

The safety director said the arbitrator had more information about the incidents. Unlike the city’s disciplinary hearing, when Harless was advised by a medical professional not to participate, he testified and answered questions at the arbitration hearing.

“This is not a shocking ruling given all the things that were present for the arbitrator,” he said. “So we will abide by this ruling, and if officer Harless is able to get his medical clearance, we’ll let him back on the police department.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: banglist; donutwatch; roidrage
This is absurd. This officer's behavior was so beyond the pale he shouldn't ever have public trust at the level of school janitor, let alone law enforcement officer.
1 posted on 11/20/2012 1:01:05 PM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: Travis McGee; Squantos; Joe Brower; ATLDiver; SLB; Lion Den Dan; Vigilantcitizen

Ping.

An unhappy follow up to a story that was well-discussed here earlier.


2 posted on 11/20/2012 1:02:54 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: FreedomPoster

Well don’t that just stink.


3 posted on 11/20/2012 1:04:20 PM PST by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: FreedomPoster

No words...


4 posted on 11/20/2012 1:06:27 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: FreedomPoster
Waiting for the boot lickers to show up and defend this ruling. Is it any wonder people consider the police nothing but revenue agents.
6 posted on 11/20/2012 1:07:43 PM PST by soupbone1
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To: FreedomPoster

Union Lawyer Reps, ain’t they grand?
I have a ‘friend’ who was a (now-retired) Manhattan bus driver. Made tons of money. He has been fired 6 or 7 times for showing up late, missing days, hitting stuff... always hired back due to his Union Lawyer Rep’s intervention.
Amazing. Just amazing.


7 posted on 11/20/2012 1:07:48 PM PST by SparkyBass
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To: FreedomPoster

This guy is gonna end up killing someone - bank on it.


8 posted on 11/20/2012 1:07:53 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: FreedomPoster

I wouldn’t hire that jackass to flip burgers or say “Welcome to Wal*Mart”.


9 posted on 11/20/2012 1:10:29 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: FreedomPoster

it would seem the guy is not fit to carry a badge or a firearm but sadly, apparently he is


11 posted on 11/20/2012 1:16:54 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: FreedomPoster
He is the type the citizenry, as evidenced their votes, now want over them.

I never thought that I would live to see the day that a majority of people that lived in the Uinited States would so gleefully consent to becoming slaves. But here it is.

12 posted on 11/20/2012 1:18:01 PM PST by sport
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To: FreedomPoster

,If I recall correctly, right after his firing and before some form of payment to him kicked in, the whole department kicked in to pay him out of their own pockets, for some months.

THE ENTIRE DEPT IS CORRUPT.

Den of psycho dog shooters? It does appear that way.


13 posted on 11/20/2012 1:19:20 PM PST by gaijin
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To: FreedomPoster
and if officer Harless is able to get his medical clearance, we’ll let him back on the police department.”

Let me guess, the doctor must be a podiatrist for a nasty bunion, right? Or perhaps Harless is under "other" medical care and after being given enough Thorazine he will be adjudicated to be safe enough to handle a firearm, just so long as no one really p#$(%#(s him off like cutting in front of him at the donut shop.

14 posted on 11/20/2012 1:23:21 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Big Bird is a brood parasite: laid in our nest 43 years ago and we are still feeding him.)
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To: FreedomPoster

For those who missed the video:

http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F


15 posted on 11/20/2012 1:24:43 PM PST by gaijin
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To: FreedomPoster
And they tell us that we are supposed to trust cops. This guy is a known threat to the life of all who carry on a CCW. He has clearly stated his position and made threats to take the life of a citizen who had done nothing wrong.
If someone had threatened him in this manner he would have killed them outright.
If I were a Law Enforcement officer I would not be feeling good about the damage this moron has done to my reputation.
16 posted on 11/20/2012 1:24:51 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: FreedomPoster

This guy is borderline psycho. He should not be a cop and should not be out in the public. He is a public danger.


17 posted on 11/20/2012 1:27:18 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: rockrr
This guy is gonna end up killing someone - bank on it.

...and then his lawyer will get him off scott free.

18 posted on 11/20/2012 1:28:32 PM PST by HusbandMan
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To: FreedomPoster

This guy sounds unhinged... like it was ‘roid rage or something.


19 posted on 11/20/2012 1:29:19 PM PST by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: FreedomPoster

Every Wednesday morning I stop at a fast food restaurant for coffee and there are at least 5 or 6 LEOs having breakfast there every time I stop. Even if one is at the same counter as I am, getting cream, sugar, whatever, I don’t say hello, I don’t nod, I don’t acknowledge them whatsoever. LEOs are nothing but legalized gangs as far as I’m concerned and I have no respect for them whatsoever.


20 posted on 11/20/2012 1:39:18 PM PST by Student0165
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To: Vigilantcitizen
Problem is, he would be suspect #1 in the following investigation.

Now, if he could just disappear the thug, no problem.

21 posted on 11/20/2012 1:41:49 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: HusbandMan

I see that you have as much confidence in the system as I do ;-)


22 posted on 11/20/2012 1:48:53 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: FreedomPoster

union


23 posted on 11/20/2012 1:56:54 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch (Rush Limbaugh, the Winston Churchill of our time)
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To: FreedomPoster

“As soon as I felt your gun, I should have took two steps back, pulled my Glock 40 and just put 10 bullets in your ass and let you drop,” the officer screams in the video. During the flurry, Harless also said he should have gunned Bartlett down for being stupid.

Was the Officer criminally charged with Terroristic Threats? If not charge im now get a conviction, then no problem keeping him of the force.


24 posted on 11/20/2012 2:00:21 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: soupbone1
soupbone1 wrote:

"Waiting for the boot lickers to show up and defend this ruling."

Well, I'm not a boot licker, but I am a CCW holder (and carry all the time).

There are no "right" people in this situation. The cop absolutely was a 'roid-rager completely out of control. But the CCW holder was also in the middle of obviously illegal activity (I have my own opinions about whether soliciting for prostitution should be illegal, but it is regardless, and as a CCW holder he should not have been engaged in such business).

The cop should have been let go, as his temperament and comportment is absolutely anti-social and I'm sure this isn't the first time he's berated suspects in such a frightening way. But the CCW holder should absolutely lose his permit as well. In my opinion, while interesting, this isn't a very good example of an advocacy incident for CCW.

25 posted on 11/20/2012 2:01:28 PM PST by Magnatron
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To: rockrr
Hopefully some other citizen won't give him the chance.
26 posted on 11/20/2012 2:20:20 PM PST by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded.)
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To: soupbone1

I don’t know if its boot licking but,
When I was a kid in high school, a cop chewed me out like
this guy for having beer in my car. It was just as brutal
and harsh. While I sat in the car in cuffs he took the beer
out and poured it all out. Then he let me go with a threat
of getting my a$$ kicked.

I still see him some times when
I go vote. And we have a laugh about it.
He probably saved my life.


27 posted on 11/20/2012 2:29:48 PM PST by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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To: Student0165

” LEOs are nothing but legalized gangs as far as I’m concerned and I have no respect for them whatsoever.”

The way to solve the problem is to elect a constitutional sheriff in your county. The deputies are well-trained, respectful of citizens and support the 2nd amendment. My constitutional sheriff gives lectures to local women’s groups, urging them to buy a weapon and learn how to use it.


29 posted on 11/20/2012 2:44:54 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: Ajnin

Bravo, sir!


30 posted on 11/20/2012 2:49:29 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: sergeantdave

“The way to solve the problem is to elect a constitutional sheriff in your county.”

But what about the FED’s? Will he defend us from those who
threaten our constitutional rights the most? Or Maybe we can get
Padre Pistolas.
http://agren.blogspot.com/2011/08/padre-pistolas.html


31 posted on 11/20/2012 2:54:06 PM PST by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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To: FreedomPoster

He’s sucking on Workmans’ Comp? What the hell for?


32 posted on 11/20/2012 2:57:23 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Bathhouse Barry wants YOU to bend over for another four years)
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To: Ajnin

“I would have grounded and pounded his jackbooted ass.”

Is that a police term for something like, desk duty for
a month and no coffee and doughnuts?
Or high body slam dunk to the ground
with two rights to the jaw?


33 posted on 11/20/2012 3:12:44 PM PST by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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To: FreedomPoster

Had this policeman pulled this act with me, he would not do it again or I would be 6 foot under myself. I would not have been letting a whore out of my car but no man, woman or child will ever come on to me in that fashion and live.


34 posted on 11/20/2012 3:24:06 PM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: FreedomPoster

The only response that can be made is for the people he threatened and menaced to file a civil lawsuit against the city, asking only that he not be allowed to be a law officer, as he is “unsuitable”; but if the city does decide to put him back in uniform, that they pay $10m in settlement to his “victims”.

That amount is big enough so that the city attorneys would say “heck, we could get half a dozen policemen for that amount. So the heck with this psycho.” In that such attorneys are fairly bloodless number crunchers.


35 posted on 11/20/2012 3:46:30 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: FreedomPoster
well...so he's been getting paid and now he's going to go on a cushy insane pension.....

IF the cops and firemen were ever able to be fired for cause and actually have these two bit arbitration boards all allow them back in no matter what, I wouldn't get so angry over these stories....

these civil boards are nothing but union thugs .....

36 posted on 11/20/2012 4:30:40 PM PST by cherry
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37 posted on 11/20/2012 4:48:04 PM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Slambat

“But what about the FED’s? Will he defend us from those who
threaten our constitutional rights the most?”

Check it out, Slambat. Armed sheriffs stood in the road after Katrina and refused to allow the Feds entry into their counties. The county sheriff is one of the most powerful elected posts in America. Look at what Sheriff Arpaio has done in Arizona. He’s defying President Buckwheat and the racist black panther Holder. Even the federal courts have ruled that county sheriffs are sovereigns, and the feds can’t order them to carry out their commands.

If TSHF, you want a constitutional sheriff in your county. For example, a sheriff has the power to raise a 2,000 man auxiliary deputy force for “emergencies.” The leftists forgot to infiltrate the sheriff post. It belongs to us.

As I suggested, check out the power of a common law, constitutional sheriff.


38 posted on 11/20/2012 5:18:46 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: Magnatron

This is not about the ccw holder or advocacy for ccw. This is about an armed, out of control government agent. Your transparent attempt to dilute the focus from the cop belies your claim of not being a boot licker.


39 posted on 11/20/2012 8:52:37 PM PST by Ken H
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To: sergeantdave

If the sheriff is a staunch supporter of the Constitution, you are correct.

However, in some parts of the country, that is a big “if”.


40 posted on 11/20/2012 11:31:46 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: SECURE AMERICA

Don’t you know that government employees are incapable of making terroristic threats?


41 posted on 11/20/2012 11:49:52 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Ken H
Ken H wrote:

"This is not about the ccw holder or advocacy for ccw."

Did you read the article - OR my post? It appears not.

The entire incident came to the forefront because - in the article:

"The video went viral on the Internet after being posted by Ohioans for Concealed Carry."

Ohioans for Concealed Carry posted the video, which includes editorial comments overlaid onto the video by OCC, to advocate for the cause of Concealed Carry.

As I posted, this was a poor choice for concealed carry advocacy. Do you realize the responsibility you are required to take on when issued a permit to carry? The number one responsibility is that you MUST NOT engage in any illegal activity. In some states, you can't even have a domestic argument with your wife in which the police show up because of a busy-body neighbor and no arrest is made, without losing your permit.

I take it the other part of my post you didn't read before posting was that I clearly stated that the cop should absolutely lose his job for, quote: "...his temperament and comportment is absolutely anti-social and I'm sure this isn't the first time he's berated suspects in such a frightening way." How does that "dilute" the police officer's actions and responsibilities?

Perhaps you should read the articles and posts before going off on a tangent...

42 posted on 11/21/2012 5:53:08 AM PST by Magnatron
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To: Magnatron
The cop should be prosecuted for his death threats against people in his custody under 18 USC 2340A. It's a 20-year federal felony.
43 posted on 01/11/2014 4:46:39 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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