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To: xzins

I’m not ascribing it to all northern Europeans. I’m pointing out that it wasn’t part of Christianity until they started converting northern Europeans. This all stems from YOUR false statement in post 29:
The traditions are founded in Christianity and the Christmas story.

I’m pointing out that many of these traditions are NOT founded in Christianity and the Christmas story. There’s no pine trees in the Christmas story, and there were no pine trees in the Christmas celebration for centuries. So declaring the decorated trees are a tradition founded in Christianity and the Christmas story is, quite simply, a lie. And you yourself have presented evidence of that. You have proven your own statement false.


106 posted on 11/20/2012 7:19:58 AM PST by discostu (Not a part of anyone's well oiled machine.)
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To: discostu; P-Marlowe; wmfights; wagglebee
On this particular issue I part company with the AFA. I think their stance on this issue is divisive and makes Christians look petty and ignorant.

It's the Christmas season. It's our culture. We exist, too, and the brainwashing involved in getting folks to think "Happy Holidays" is, imho, an "anti-Christian culture" initiative.

From Advent (anticipating the coming of the Lord) through Christmas (celebrating the coming of the Lord) is, given the year, in the neighborhood of 40 days long. It is always the 4 Sundays preceding Christmas and the 12 days of Christmas. It's been that way throughout our Christian culture for centuries.

Hannukah is an 8 days celebration based on a lunar calendar that could go from late November to early December. This year it's from the 8th-15th of December.

Is it the basis of all these traditions you see in our culture? Does it inform Santa Claus (St Nicholas), mangers, wise men, in any way whatsoever? No. It does not.

This cultural celebration is about Christmas. The traditions are founded in Christianity and the Christmas story.

Refusing to permit employees to say Merry Christmas, to have "holiday trees", holiday lights, holiday cards, and on an on is pure opposition to our Christian culture and an unwillingness to acknowledge our presence, all of which is part of a brain-washing program.

Well, you say there's a lie in my post #29. There it is above in a blockquote, copy-pasted, the entire quote with nothing left out.

Show me the lie.

108 posted on 11/20/2012 8:50:10 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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