Posted on 11/18/2012 5:01:56 AM PST by Kaslin
Excellent, more surrender conservatives.
I never said Obama will end up with 69 million. That’s what he got in 2008. Probably more like 67 million.
The end result of the turnout will likely be close to 2008, with 2-3 million votes switching from Obama to Romney.
To true!
Until someone in the media, Rush, Beck ..... anyone points out the fact the election was completely stolen, it won’t matter who runs. You can’t win an election that is rigged.
Oh ya, what about judges that will actually enforce the law with out an agenda.
The only other option is that our side cheats as bad as theirs, but that is really not a solution.
Can you say Marco.....
Growth in the electorate is 4% from 2004 to 2008.
It would be quite the stretch to suggest that ANY of the base is part of that electorate growth, given that the fastest growing portion of the population is Hispanic.
And I don’t think 18-22 year olds in general are part of the “base” that “stayed home.” Do you?
No , it’s arithmetic, which you haven’t done. Currently, rounding up, there are 125 m counted; +1.7= 126.7. 2008, there were 130 m. The voting age population also increased during those 4 years by 10 million, so the turnout is down significantly. It makes a huge difference going forward which interpretation the Republicans make. You’ve aligned with the KOS interpretation, You’re a FReeper, but on this point, you’re a FRumster.
So Obama’s going to get 4 m more votes than he has now? Name them.
My solution, and the only solution, for a Republican in 2016 is to convince about 3 million people that voted for Obama to vote for them. You can go about that in multiple ways, of course, but there's no other option.
Your solution is to motivate an almost entirely non-existent group of people (those for whom Romney wasn't conservative enough, and thus stayed home), which, if everything worked out, would likely have the effect of allowing the 2016 Republican candidate to win Mississippi by 20% instead of 18%.
I would like to nominate Allen West.
You do realize there are large numbers of uncounted votes in states other than California, don't you?
Also there was a real turnout decline in NY and NJ for obvious reasons.
I've honestly never read Daily Kos in my life, so it would be hard for me to be aligned with them.
When will we ever learn...we just cannot expect the GOP to ever be anything near what we want it to be.
We need a PARTY we can believe in.
This is what conservatives always do. They get sidetracked with non issues.
I call it gathering sea shells. I developed the concept to chide my wife who forgets the mission, the main effort. At the Normandy Invasion, she and those arguing here, would have stopped at water’s edge to gather sea shells. The shells are there and should be gathered while the opportunity exists.
That is this thread. Screwing around with mindless blather rather than making the assault and the successful invasion.
By the way, it's a 1,440 cell spreadsheet I've constructed with the reported AP (on the CNN site) vote totals, and what information there is from all state election websites, which you haven't done.
Their talking points are widely disseminated through journolists in the media; you’re making their argument,as well as David Frum’s (Too old, too white, too male)
-Need to stop opening our primaries in Iowa and New Hampshire. (I noticed how that you listed that one first, BTW.)
Take it from a lifelong Iowan who wishes it were otherwise: this is no longer the Iowa of "State Fair," "The Music Man," or any other nostalgic, feel-good make-believe. The un-gentrified older sections of many larger towns looks like West Chicago or Rockford, the land is divided into far fewer - but far larger - farms, and most paychecks are dependent on some form of tax collected from someone else.
The GOP needs to kick these two underachieving states to the curb tout suite.
Mr. niteowl77
Clueless.
The GOP-E was warned, repeatedly, what would happen if they carpet bombed Conservatives and tried to shove Romney down our throats.
You must be lost in the weeds. Even if Obama gets 1 m more out of CA, where are the other 3-5 m coming from?
Bad data leads to bad arguments, bad decisions, and bad strategies. And all too often people invent data to support their arguments, rather than looking at the data and then developing an argument from it.
And once bad data gets out there, it lives forever, especially if people want to use it to support an argument.
For example, Gary Bauer claimed a few days ago that “3 million values voters stayed home” - either he’s lying, or he’s somehow perverted the initial 3 million vote gap on election night between Romney’s reported total and McCain into ALL of that supposed gap being “values voters.”
And of course just based on actual counted votes so far, that “3 million” gap is now about 400,000.
Any 2016 strategy based on appealing to “3 million values voters that stayed home” to get them to turn out for the Republicans is doomed to fail, because the 3 million doesn’t exist.
What makes ANYONE think that there will even be an election in 2016? The dice were thrown and the USA crapped out!
Called it.
Hey, we did that the last two times. Nominate a squish, lose. Nominate a squish - lose.
Now the patented Stategerist strategy - “Let’s nominate a squish because nobody loses like moderates”
Brilliant plan. Who should we credit for it?
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