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1 posted on 11/16/2012 2:51:29 PM PST by NYer
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Catholic ping!


2 posted on 11/16/2012 2:52:44 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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Way good for him, makes me want to convert to the Catholic faith


3 posted on 11/16/2012 2:53:07 PM PST by rovenstinez
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Yes they will. The Catholic church will crumble and do whatever Obama’s HHS says. The sorry truth is there are a lot of powerful Catholics in these organizations that support Obama - especially at the universities.


4 posted on 11/16/2012 2:55:38 PM PST by Longbow1969
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Oh good! If my bishop won’t comply, neither will I! Makes me feel less alone in my civil disobedience.


5 posted on 11/16/2012 2:56:01 PM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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Too bad Cardinal Dolan is in the extreme minority in his church.


8 posted on 11/16/2012 3:03:07 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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About two weeks too late with the announcement. Maybe if we’re luck Obama’s early drug abuse will come back to bite him in the rear. I do not wish ill on anyone (karma is a bitch), but sometimes ...


9 posted on 11/16/2012 3:04:12 PM PST by CatOwner
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Integrity. Rare.


10 posted on 11/16/2012 3:04:26 PM PST by SC_Pete
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In my diocese a guide for Catholic voters was distributed. The advice was to vote for candidates who support minimum wage laws and “social justice.” The California proposition to overturn the death penalty was supported. Not one word was mentioned about voting against 0bama and overturning 0bamacare. The priests and bishops are too busy slamming capitalism to really fight 0bama.


11 posted on 11/16/2012 3:07:04 PM PST by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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Team Obama is probably already calculating the asset value of all the property the Church owns. At the rate we’re going, they’ll be including property seizures and sales as part of their deficit reduction baseline. I exaggerate only slightly. I AM quite confident that many on the left would be delighted if the end game were divestiture of all the Catholic schools, universities, and hospitals.


12 posted on 11/16/2012 3:18:35 PM PST by sphinx
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The Bishop wants to eat his cake and still have it for later.

I don't feel the least bit of sympathy to the USSCB; its position is hypocritical and the Catholic Episcopate has done as much as any other left-wing organization over the last century to damage the United States of America.

Catholic Bishops were solidly behind the Socialist takeover of our healthcare system. The have been consistently blind to the stupidity of their own hierarchy on virtually all economic matters, and even at this very late date still refuse to support the repeal of the PPACA.

The Bishops -- and all other Christian clergymen -- need to learn this lesson, need to learn it hard, and they had better learn it soon, because time is running out:

CAPITALISM is "the preferential option for the poor" that this confused episcopate continues to blather cluelessly on about. There is NO "preferential option for the poor" except capitalism, and all other "options" mean squalor, disease, torture, oppression, and death. Those "options" will be "preferentially" visited on the poor before anyone else, because that's the way it is, if this bunch does not get their heads out of their ... miters ...

They may succeed in carving out a special exemption for themselves that allows them to pretend they've taken a moral course. But the truth of the matter is that the long-term consequences of the PPACA are a violation of fundamental human rights and human dignity across the board, and NOTHING short of its repeal is a "moral path."

13 posted on 11/16/2012 3:22:49 PM PST by FredZarguna (Nothing against Paki's. Just paraphrasing Biden. Or Hillary. Or Both.)
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http://www.alliancedefendingfreedom.org/News/PRDetail/7667


15 posted on 11/16/2012 3:30:39 PM PST by Mercat
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But allot of Catholics will religiously vote Dem.

Makes you wonder what “morality” means to those that do, doesn’t it?


18 posted on 11/16/2012 3:37:15 PM PST by R0CK3T
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I am a Roman Catholic and I am sad to agree with several posts regarding the silence of the Bishops on Obamacare prior to the election, priests more concerned with ‘social justice’ and too many CINO’s with the Church.

There is a civil war brewing within the Church.


27 posted on 11/16/2012 4:21:52 PM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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Timmy and the rest of the "social justice" US bishops will find a way to accommodate themselves to the Obamacare mandates.

They are gentlemen, first and foremost, and they would never endanger their own cushy little lives for a little thing like Church doctrine.

28 posted on 11/16/2012 4:24:07 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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“The only thing we’re certainly prepared to do is not give in, not violate our consciences, and not obey what we consider to be something immoral.”
“How we do that and what doors would remain open to us to see if there’s some way consonant with our high moral principles to be able to do it, that’s something we’ve got to start to tackle…and we’re prepared to tackle,” added Dolan, who serves as president of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.

Excellent!! They should simply ignore Obamacare, and continue to offer the insurance they've always offered, and keep the schools and hospitals open. If Obama insists on taking them on, that's his problem.

29 posted on 11/16/2012 4:28:59 PM PST by SuziQ
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With all due respect Cardinal Dolan,
Your flock overwhelmingly is not listening to you. Now I don’t know if it’s because they think that you will never let them close the schools,hospitals etc. They must think that you will compromise and go along to get along.
However, I am keeping an eye on your decision to see if you too will tip your hand and show all of us what a hypocreten looks like.


34 posted on 11/16/2012 5:00:52 PM PST by marygam (I have extra ducktape for anyone who needs to wrap their head.)
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Why did the Catholics go for King Obama? Looks like we have a few Catholics that just don't get it.
35 posted on 11/16/2012 5:02:19 PM PST by Logical me
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44 posted on 11/16/2012 7:58:39 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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"Following enactment of ACA, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) has not joined in efforts to repeal the law in its entirety, and we do not do so today."

http://usccb.org/news/2012/12-119.cfm

The USCCB is an enemy of human life, human liberty, the Catholic Church, civil society, and the U.S. Constitution. All right-thinking Catholics should declare war on this evil institution, and petition Rome to abolish it.

48 posted on 11/16/2012 8:46:52 PM PST by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a baby girl's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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The current Catholic leadership has a great record of gearing up for a fight after the battle is over.


53 posted on 11/17/2012 5:49:00 PM PST by Ted Grant
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