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I Think I Owe an Apology to George W. Bush.
Townhall.com ^ | November 16, 2012 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 11/16/2012 6:47:24 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: C. Edmund Wright
Clearly articulating why conservatism itself WORKS, and therefore IS compassionate, would be something not tried in a long time.

I will agree, but how do you articulate these beliefs when there is no real vehicle(i.e. the main stream media) to do so?

41 posted on 11/16/2012 7:54:43 AM PST by Right Brother
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To: Right Brother

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_s-Qk07KxA


42 posted on 11/16/2012 7:56:45 AM PST by RipSawyer
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Clearly articulating why conservatism itself WORKS, and therefore IS compassionate, would be something not tried in a long time.

Wow - what an idea!

43 posted on 11/16/2012 7:57:22 AM PST by tentmaker (Galt's Gulch is a state of mind...)
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To: Right Brother

You do it in ads, and in the debates, and get away from these sterile answers designed not to offend.

You don’t run an entire campaign on the premise that Obama is “a nice guy who is simply over his head.” You don’t agree that he and biden merely “inherited a mess” and haven’t quite gotten out of us yet.

You tie all failures, over and over, in every message, to liberalism. You tie all sucesses, like bin Laden’s killing, over and over, to conservatism.

So you piss off our enemies a bit more? Who cares? All we have to do is flip about 1-2% of the undecideds - and dammit, I’m convinced it would be done.


44 posted on 11/16/2012 7:58:04 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: kevkrom

All we have to do is change about 1-2% - to win elections we are now losing. That’s all. We don’t have to change the entire 51%. We have a huge weapon on our side - we happen to be right. With that, we can change 1-2%.


45 posted on 11/16/2012 7:59:50 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: C. Edmund Wright

” Clearly articulating why conservatism itself WORKS, and therefore IS compassionate, would be something not tried in a long time.”

30 years


46 posted on 11/16/2012 8:01:06 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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To: kevkrom

All we have to do is change about 1-2% - to win elections we are now losing. That’s all. We don’t have to change the entire 51%. We have a huge weapon on our side - we happen to be right. With that, we can change 1-2%.


47 posted on 11/16/2012 8:01:06 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: stephenjohnbanker

In my voting lifetime, there were vestiges of conservatism articulated in 80, 84, 94 and 2010. Seems to me we did alright in all of those.

In 92, 96, 98, 2006, 2008, we ran from conservatism - and all were unmitigated disasters.

In 1988, 2000, 2004, there was sort of a mix, and we squeaked by.

In 2002, the Dems just ran so far left, we won big by defaut.

Seems to me history is clear: the wider the ideological chasm in an election year, the better we do. The narrower, the worse we do.


48 posted on 11/16/2012 8:05:50 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: C. Edmund Wright

” You don’t run an entire campaign on the premise that Obama is “a nice guy who is simply over his head.” You don’t agree that he and biden merely “inherited a mess” and haven’t quite gotten out of us yet.”

NAILED it.

You also nailed Bush(for the right reasons) in your article.


49 posted on 11/16/2012 8:09:20 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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To: kevkrom

Excellent post. I didn’t read it before my post #41. You are so right. You can articulate conservatism using everything from brilliant dissertations to pencil drawn stick figures and the majority won’t get it. Their political thought has almost become an uncontrolled reflex due to a lifetime of propaganda. If we do not wrestle back control of our schools and the media, any effort to promote conservative principles is futile and the country is finished. I hold little hope, because the lake of the electorate is being restocked with more liberal fish every day.


50 posted on 11/16/2012 8:16:34 AM PST by Right Brother
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To: C. Edmund Wright

” In my voting lifetime, there were vestiges of conservatism articulated in 80, 84, 94 and 2010. Seems to me we did alright in all of those.”

Correct. Reagan was the last guy running for POTUS to say that government WAS the problem, and then go on to articulate it for the common man. Romney never articulated anything. If Romney had done what you suggested, he would have won.


51 posted on 11/16/2012 8:19:56 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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To: Right Brother

Disagree, to a point. When will we start winning elections based on getting control back of education? 2075? Sorry, too late. We MUST figure out a way to flip 1-2% NOW - or there won’t be any America in 2075, or whenever.

I agree the long view should be taken, but the short view is also critical.


52 posted on 11/16/2012 8:21:11 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Reagan also knew how to bring Social Conservatives and Fiscal Conservatives together, no Republican has come close to doing that since.


53 posted on 11/16/2012 8:21:11 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Thank you, I am amazed at how often the GOP simply rubberstamps the lies put out by the left. It is time to stop worrying about who is offended and just tell the truth and let the chips fall wherever they feel like falling.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_s-Qk07KxA


54 posted on 11/16/2012 8:25:51 AM PST by RipSawyer
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To: Kaslin
"As president, he said that "when somebody hurts, government has got to move."

Ignoring the fact that a lot of misery is the direct result of government *taking action*.

55 posted on 11/16/2012 8:26:00 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: dfwgator

” Reagan also knew how to bring Social Conservatives and Fiscal Conservatives together”

Yes he did, and it wasn’t rocket science either.

RINOS don’t believe in conservatism, they run from it.


56 posted on 11/16/2012 8:27:51 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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To: C. Edmund Wright; All

” You do it in ads, and in the debates, and get away from these sterile answers designed not to offend.

You don’t run an entire campaign on the premise that Obama is “a nice guy who is simply over his head.” You don’t agree that he and biden merely “inherited a mess” and haven’t quite gotten out of us yet.”

Why we lost.


57 posted on 11/16/2012 8:39:44 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Real history needs to be taught instead of the propaganda.

It's not going to happen in the public schools. Now we have that Spielberg flick...

58 posted on 11/16/2012 8:40:09 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Um, yeah good luck with that one johnny reb. Just another "wawuh of nothren aggression" type I see.

CC

59 posted on 11/16/2012 8:46:36 AM PST by Celtic Conservative (some people call me the space cowboy, some people call me the gangster of love ...)
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To: Kaslin
Some sophisticated analysts, such as my National Review colleague Ramesh Ponnuru, always acknowledged the philosophical shortcomings and inconsistencies of compassionate conservatism, but argued that something like it was necessary nonetheless.

Compassionate conservatism is just another name for mixed economy, political eclecticism, and pragmatism. It has no ideology, is pluralistic, and it has philosophical shortcomings and inconsistencies because it is a mixture of conservatism and statism.

60 posted on 11/16/2012 9:00:38 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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