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To: dfwgator

It ends a fetal heartbeat. It is the exact definition of ‘abortion’ - ending a pregnancy.

What about first trimester preeclampsia? The only way to save the mom is to abort the baby. Would that be acceptable to people here, or is this too close to ‘abortion’? Is that a time a woman should go down with the ship? To give her life for her child?

There are radical comments made here all the time that are as bad as Akin. Many people here believe that there is NEVER a time to end a baby’s life to save the mom. Some are ignorant and believe that modern medicine can save every pregnancy without exception. (Just not true) Others actually believe that women should die before they end a pregnancy.

What REALLY irritates me is that the Left uses these ignorant, uneducated comments as fuel for their cause.

I, and my family, are very pro-life. We look at these lost pregnancies as tragedies and miscarriages. We grieve.

But we feel no guilt.


26 posted on 11/15/2012 7:30:11 AM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: Marie

First trimester preeclampsia? I just asked a doctor friend of mine about that and he said to tell you that you don’t know what you’re talking about... They can detect the risk for it in the first trimester, but he’s never seen a full blown case and was taught it happens in the 2nd and third trimester.. His quotes “nothing is IMPOSSIBLE, but you you have a greater chance of having a twoheaded baby, than getting preeclampsia in the 1st trimester....

He said there is never a reason to abort to save the life if the mother. Even ifyou have to end the pregnancy, you don’t have to kill the child, at least deliver it and try to save its life if at all possible...


32 posted on 11/15/2012 8:22:50 AM PST by DrewsMum
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To: Marie
"It is the exact definition of ‘abortion’ - ending a pregnancy."

Well, that's no very adequate definition. Childbirth ends a pregnancy, too.

Morally, abortion is a directly intended killing of the conceived child. That would not include legitimate medical procedures which indirectly cause the child's death, e.g. removal of ectopic pregnancy, hysterectmy for uterine or cervical cancer, meds for mother's illness which trigger miscarriage, etc. --- even when this side-effect of the child's death is foreseen --- and if there is proportionate cause. Preventing the mother's death is a proportionate cause.

In the case of pre-eclampsia --- mother and child both a high risk of death --- a preterm delivery is justified to save the mother, even if the baby's survival chances are very small. There is a decisive moral difference between preterm delivery, in which the child is at least being treated with care, like a dying human being; and a dismemberment (D&E or D&X) where the baby is cut to pieces like a hunk of meat.

Ireland, which prohibits most abortions as illegal, is the country with the lowest maternal mortality rate in the world.

That's a good thing to know.

33 posted on 11/15/2012 8:28:27 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)
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