Posted on 11/13/2012 1:50:43 PM PST by neverdem
Don't nominate a candidate who won't even bring his own state into the GOP column.
In addition to the obvious problem associated with this, you end up with a handicapped candidate who has no credibility because he spends so much time trying to explain why the Marxism he supported in [INSERT NAME OF STATE HERE] was not something he would support as president.
LOL great post...maybe the dems will nominate Romney to replace obama in 4 years
You guys may have to learn how to deal with a little bit of what you find repugnant if you don’t want to invite in the moderates you so despise. What other group is going to have your back on gun rights, tax cuts and fiscal and sanity? Stay on the path you’re on now and/or team up with the moderates for the next couple of election cycles and you’ll lose all of that.
As for me, I fell for the 76 trombones back in 1994 and spent a decade waiting for the smaller government until the establishment got control of the house, senate and white house and told us to shut up and sit down because we had nowhere else to go (note...you guys started losing elections after that)
So what cabinet level offices would you de-fund and dissolve? How about just government agencies. Would getting rid of the BATF be tempting enough to break bread with libertarians?
We would rather deal with moderates, than raving leftists as displayed in post 53.
I notice that you didn’t ask how to close your account, it seems that you have changed your mind about leaving freerepublic.
Too bad. Any pat on the back you get from the soccer moms will involve a knife within a few months so don't say you weren't warned. I notice you haven't said which cabinet level departments you were willing to get rid of. Unless that small government talk is really just boob bait for the bubbas, which it sounds like that's all it ever was from the GOP.
I do believe that you are as incapable of understanding what you support, as your posts indicate, you like our economics and our call for small government, but you are a full blown lefty on social issues.
Why don’t you convince us of why we should embrace the libertarian positions on abortion and homosexuality and open borders as described in post 48, since you already agree with conservatives on things related to money and taxes?
Not only did Ryan lose his home state, but Romney lost all of his home states.
Romney lost Massachusetts, Michigan, California, and New Hampshire, I forgot about Utah, Mitt did carry that home state.
I see a big list of objective and find myself wondering if we have the strength to accomplish them. We have struggled with theses issues for generations with little success.
I think more and more if the issue is not those same generations of genocide against our children and indoctrination of thoses that survived in public schools. The issue is one of carrasma.
Obama has a silver tough that can sell the most obvious of lies. Get rid of Obama and perhaps we will rid ourselves of that toung as well..?
But what to do about our children(the ones that survive) I don’t know. I can only hope that the experience of work might educate them in that which their Government teachers counseled. But that is no Guarantee, particularity in a land where more and more folks are unable to find legal work and just as importantly don’t have to.
Did you find the part where the LP gets rid of Welfare at the same time?
Imagine that ... no welfare ... nothing to keep them here.
On the other hand, at present, we give them Section 8 housing, food stamps, Obamaphones, tax credits, welfare checks, and everything else to KEEP them here and that's just at the Federal level.
Now let's look a little further. Who appropriates the money for all these welfare programs? Well that would be the Republican controlled House of Representatives.
Might I suggest the problem might be the Republicans who are in power as opposed to the Libertarians who are not?
Dude ... give it up. This is not a partisan argument you can win.
You're supposed to be attracting voters to your cause and your candidate, not telling them to get stuffed and go away. Doing that gets you Hillary in 2016.
When you come off the drugs, then ponder for a minute that you need to eliminate welfare in America first, after you do that, then we will talk about anything that you want to discuss, open borders, Unicorns, kittens living on the moon, supplying every man in america with a humanoid that looks like Tina Fey’s assistant/receptionist on 30 Rock, anything, any fantasy that you choose.
Do the impossible first, then we will discuss supporting your real life, left wing agenda, in regards to immigration.
That's how people are attracted to a cause because, well, you know they can't resist.
Grow up.
Speaking of growing up, get to work on that ending welfare in America thing, the sooner that you accomplish that, then the sooner we can start discussing open borders and closing down INS and the Border Patrol.
Wouldn't that be fantastic? Can we count on your support to help wind down the entitlements and the welfare state?
If we did that, we could go back to Ellis Island style Immigration. You come, you don't make it, you go home. You come, you make it, you can stay. No public charges allowed. Heck, there isn't a public dole so we don't have to worry about it!
That is actually the *conservative* way of doing it as opposed to the current liberal way of doing it which is, "Come, stay, if you have trouble, no worries, we'll cover the tab. Its tough out there. Have a beer, on the taxpayer."
Wind down the Welfare State, re-open Ellis Island. Do it in that order. That's the Libertarian way of handling it.
Doesn't that sound a lot better than the mess we have currently? Are you willing to pitch in to make things go that route?
Correct. Except for that Bull$*** about Chris Christie,
I’ve supported ending welfare all of my life, and voted and worked on campaigns accordingly.
When welfare is ended, THEN we grant you your left wing wishes and immigration, not before.
Again, you don't know me so kindly keep the insults to yourself.
Since the theme of the thread is "lessons learned" let this be the first lesson. The key to building a winning coalition is to stop throwing insults at people you can build common cause with.
That's the first lesson. We teach it to kids in high school when running for the student council. Works like a charm every time.
There are more if you are willing to listen.
But put it this way - we have the same goals and want to do things in the same order. When you are able to figure out that means WE ARE ON THE SAME TEAM, then perhaps we can move forward.
If not, and if insults are all there is, then you don't get my vote. Nor do you get the votes of anyone else.
BTW, family has run party politics in my state since before WWI. Don't even think you have cred here. You don't. Got it?
We aren’t on the same team, read post 57 again, it just wants to open the borders and remove the INS and the Border Patrol, there would be no “Ellis Island” besides, why would the world south of the border want to go to New York instead of just walking or driving into the United States from their houses in Mexico, and all the countries south of that, why wouldn’t the Orient just fly into LA and Seattle, and Muslims fly into Houston and Denver, all by the unlimited millions and millions?
All of them eligible for that welfare that you can’t end? Do you remember that every vote counts the same, no matter how much you fantasize?
I don’t want open borders and partial birth abortion and homosexual marriage and adoption and military, and Boy Scouts, and all the other left wing libertarian stuff.
Its the order that matters.
You said so. I said so. The same order. We agree.
Got it? Oh, wait, here comes the backpedaling and the insults again...
Now, if remembering what it is that people have discussed and already agreed to is a problem, and you're working with a campaign, you've already lost.
That's how it works.
Get used to hearing the word "coalition" because its coming and coming fast and you aren't going to like what is being brought onboard. But get used to liking it because it will be the only way to win.
Trust me, if you knew me, you'd be on your knees apologizing.
LOL, but I do like the druggie way you talk, it is pretty funny.
Trust me, if you knew me, you'd be on your knees apologizing.
OK sweetie, you can go to bed now.
The Ron Paul people are coming.
It has already been decided. They are coming and they have been deemed the future of the GOP.
Sleep well and remember that word: Coalition.
You will be hearing more of it in the near future, and do try to be polite. We can blame all the future losses on you now. In fact, it has already begun.
Remember, you're nothing but a tool to the east-coasters, but they've gone through the demographics. The average age of an Evangelical is in the 60s+. They're dying as a demographic. In 20 years there won't be enough to worry about.
New blood is needed. There simply aren't enough white Evangelicals to carry things any longer. Its been proven the last three Presidential cycles.
The Ron Paul kids are coming. He's going to spend the remainder of his life on college campuses recruiting them.
Coalition. Remember the word. You'll be hearing an awful lot about it in the near future.
BTW, the assimilation of the Ron Paul kids has the Democrats wide awake at night. How do I know this? I told you, I have family in officer slots in the state party. I just didn't say which one.
Sleep well. You're going to need it.
So you go right ahead, cupcake, and keep throwing insults and forgetting your own name. The rest of us will carry your sorry butt over the line next time.
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