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This article is full of crap, I know, but I post it because the question is valid: can conservatives ever again win a presidential election when the Liberals' 40-year strategy of creating more and more dumbed-down city "gimmees" keeps increasing their proportion of the electorate?
1 posted on 11/13/2012 11:55:37 AM PST by pabianice
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Nope. It makes no sense to get in a bidding war for the favor of the palms-up crowd. It would be like negotiating with your children about the limits of their candy consumption.


2 posted on 11/13/2012 11:58:36 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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I agree with the notion that we should not pander, however, if it weren’t for LA, San Francisco, Chicago, and Philadelphia, the GOP would win CA, IL, and PA and get an additional 5 Senate seats.


3 posted on 11/13/2012 11:59:27 AM PST by Perdogg (Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA4) for President 2016)
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Sorry, I think the cities need the suburbs and rural areas much more than the suburbs and rural areas need cities.


4 posted on 11/13/2012 12:01:04 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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On the other hand, the left’s fixation in abortion and homosexuality will eventually lead to lower numbers. Unless they, and limp-wristed republicans, allow unlimited illegal immigration.


5 posted on 11/13/2012 12:02:35 PM PST by ABQHispConservative
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I have less in common with a dedicated resident of NYC or Chicago than I do with the average Martian.

Most of what they want is threatening to my core values.

6 posted on 11/13/2012 12:02:37 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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can conservatives ever again win a presidential election when the Liberals' 40-year strategy of creating more and more dumbed-down city "gimmees" keeps increasing their proportion of the electorate?

Nope.

7 posted on 11/13/2012 12:03:20 PM PST by grobdriver
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Even the small cities, like mine - York, PA, have been conceded by the GOP. We tried to get Republicans elected, I ran for City Controller, and we got zero support from the county GOP organization. We even found our local GOP Congressman Todd Platts supporting the Democrat candidate for mayor.


8 posted on 11/13/2012 12:03:20 PM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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Detroit was once a large city of over 1 million.

1.0287 Million
Jul 1990

706,585
Jul 2011

The Dems did with voter fraud what they just couldn’t do with voters.

Don’t buy the BS the GOPe is trying to feed us. We do not need to be like the Dems to win. What we need are clearly defined principles and leaders that are willing to FIGHT for them.


11 posted on 11/13/2012 12:08:41 PM PST by Scarlet Pimpernel (And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?)
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Without reading the details of how they would do it, I agree with the headline.

But we need to fight to win these places back, not buy into liberalism. It’s not impossible. Republicans got close in Philadelphia not long ago and gee, guess what, the dems played the race card to turn it around.


12 posted on 11/13/2012 12:09:01 PM PST by Williams (No Obama)
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The cities have bigger chimneys for Barack O Clause to get down.
13 posted on 11/13/2012 12:11:45 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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We should always be taking our case to everybody, and overlook nobody.

It does not mean that we need to sell out and play the same games, but we should be trying to engage everybody.


14 posted on 11/13/2012 12:11:45 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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We’ll lose more than we would gain by trying to appeal to the ghetto dwellers.


15 posted on 11/13/2012 12:13:15 PM PST by dfwgator
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The fact is republicans ignore cities and black voters because republicans don’t get any votes from them.

There are many shifts that have been a disaster for our country, and here are some of them:

1 Democrat party shift hard left.

2 Black vote shift hard dem.

3 Black vote shift hard left.

4 Solid dem control of cities.

5 Academia shift hard left.

The list goes on. Fact is republicans let it all happen so they can get elected in the conservative areas, and leave liberal cities to the dems. In the end it’s bad for America for a number of reasons, one big one being we allowed the leftist population to grow and it is almost (not quite) a national majority.


16 posted on 11/13/2012 12:16:38 PM PST by Williams (No Obama)
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The only demographics that have changed is the gimme! gimme! crowd has now grown larger than the wimpy PC crowd giving the handouts. It’s our own fault for letting our government get so out of control with spending and giving away our hard earned tax dollars.


17 posted on 11/13/2012 12:17:21 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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Heads a liberal wins, tails a liberal wins. A conservative could have actually offered a choice for voters...

Let’s see.. 3 million voters who stayed home each election since the last time a conservative was nominated for the GOP ticket, times 5 elections - that’s a landslide right there.

The GOP can no longer afford to ignore the conservative vote.

19 posted on 11/13/2012 12:21:22 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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According to the US Census bureau, in 2011 the median household income in New York City was $49,461. But the median household income for New York State was $55,246 in 2011. In spite of the excessive lifestyles of the rich and famous living on that glittering island in the Hudson River, the median New York State household earns (produces) more than the median New York City household. (The average is higher for the state, too.) I can't imagine how bad the comparison is for Detroit or Camden, New Jersey.
21 posted on 11/13/2012 12:25:58 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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I think we’re probably at the point where “he that is filthy; let him be filthy still (in peace)”. - Vote “present” and let the DEMOCRATS and OBAMA own the coming mess. - Any resistance will just be demogagued to death as “obstructionism” by Hairy Reed and the rest of them. Any “bipartisanship” will only result in the coming mess being wholly blamed on those horrible,evil, RICH REPUBLICANS. - No. No more. I’m sick of it. - Vote “present” and let ‘er rip. - AND do not allow the Democrats to demagogue you by calling voting “present” obstructionist. They’re in the “cat seat”; and being nasty and smug about it; and CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT!


22 posted on 11/13/2012 12:26:56 PM PST by Twinkie (Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.)
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OK, so we won’t “ignore” them,
but can we still DESPISE them?


23 posted on 11/13/2012 12:27:57 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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The article is dead right. I don’t know if most of the commenters actually read it, but he describes how the Tea Party agenda could work in urban areas. He’s right, if there’s a future for the GOP, making big cities at least competitive has to be part of it. We can’t win with the Democrats stacking up vote margins based on winning 100% of the vote in 57 different densely-populated wards in Philadelphia. Great cities are the product of free market capitalism, not big government. Even now, go to any city in the U.S., and first visit the “civic center area” and then go to the “financial district”. The contrast is as plain as day.

Yes, becoming relevant in the cities may mean adopting a sort of “truce” on social issues. I think the easy answer is that the federal government should not be involved in social issues; those have traditionally been the purview of state and local governments. If Mississippi doesn’t want abortion and gay marriage, but California, or even theoretically New Orleans, does, then so be it. We need to establish a set of principles based on the actual design of our Constitutional system that allows different kinds of people to live in different kinds of ways, depending on their locality.


25 posted on 11/13/2012 12:31:00 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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Of course Conservatives can win ~ in fact, Conservatives could have won this race but the GOP-e stood in the way.

The route to victory is paved with dead bodies in fact ~ the Democrats have a marginally higher death rate than Republicans AND the ethnotypes that make up the greater body of Republicans have a much lower abortion rate than the ethnotypes who gravitate to the Democrat's black banner.

The Democrats reached their high water mark in 2008. The Republicans have yet to reach a high water mark ~ the McCain/Romney events demonstrate the error in not catering to the party's Conservative base. Those folks are ready, willing and able to bring millions of new Republican voters to the fore ~ but there's gotta' be somebody there who they'll think is worth having as a candidate.

Let me predict that within the next decade Republican gains will so far outpace Democrat losses in voting strength that folks will wonder just exactly who the Democrats were and what they stood for.

26 posted on 11/13/2012 12:33:00 PM PST by muawiyah
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