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1 posted on 11/13/2012 7:46:54 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

All true. And one more reason. When you reward something, you get more of it.


2 posted on 11/13/2012 7:51:01 AM PST by kabar
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As soon as somebody can tell me 1) why these “immigrants” should not have to comply with the same rules as all others, and 2) why the rules should have to change to accommodate people merely unwilling to comply with them, I might consider talking about “amnesty”. Oh, and how ‘bout that whole, “We fought a tyrant and won - go clean up your own back yard” thing? Does saying, “Be willing to shed your own blood for your own country rather than breaking the rules of my country and then demanding that WE change” make me a bad person? Tango Sierra. To quote Don Quixote, they need “to be willing to march into hell for a heavenly cause”.


3 posted on 11/13/2012 7:52:08 AM PST by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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Blacks , Hispanics , and Israeli hating Jews are not going to vote for Republicans no matter what they do.

Romney knew that, he called it, wasting time on the 47%.

These people are already bought and paid for by Democrats using the Republican workers taxed money.


4 posted on 11/13/2012 7:55:59 AM PST by Venturer
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The author is full of BS...

Reagan (the greatest conservative president ever!) had an amnesty program.

He unfortunately trusted Congress that they would couple it with border control, and got screwed.....

This is an issue that must be dealt with in a thoughtful, compassionate manner without rhetoric or hyperbole.... Screaming about 20 foot fences and moats with alligators doesn't cut it....

How to handle it is subject to debate.

However, the Hispanic vote is NOT locked to Democrats. Hispanic voters values are more aligned with conservative values than liberal.

There are ways to address the issue, adhere to our principle, resolve the problem and win the Hispanic vote for all time....

During the primary, Newt articulated one of them....

5 posted on 11/13/2012 8:09:41 AM PST by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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Reagan gave them amnesty and the GOP has barely broken 40% since.

Best reason I can think of.

If you are going to play brazen racial realpolitik than at least make it count.


6 posted on 11/13/2012 8:11:46 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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Nominating another Dole-McCain-Romney type would be as well.


7 posted on 11/13/2012 8:14:24 AM PST by Republican1795.
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Well I for one have to say if they do amnesty, I’m done with them.

The left asks their pols to lie cheat and steal for them and they do it.

All we ask from ours is just to advocate conservatism most of the time and they continually fall short.

I’m sick of it.


8 posted on 11/13/2012 8:15:27 AM PST by Cubs Fan (Under Obama, American constitutional rights are now subject to muslim approval)
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Well I for one have to say if they do amnesty, I’m done with them.

The left asks their pols to lie cheat and steal for them and they do it.

All we ask from ours is just to advocate conservatism most of the time and they continually fall short.

I’m sick of it.


9 posted on 11/13/2012 8:15:39 AM PST by Cubs Fan (Under Obama, American constitutional rights are now subject to muslim approval)
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Only one reason is needed. America would be finished.


10 posted on 11/13/2012 8:16:26 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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amnesty is the new debt ceiling.

they’ll just do another and kick the can down the road.


11 posted on 11/13/2012 8:18:11 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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When is the treatment of American citizens in Mexico and their rights vs US treatment of Mexicans going to be an issue when we discuss amnesty ?

Ever hear of resciprocal aggrements ? These are arranged to protect the rights of American citizens working or living in other countries.

Why is it when it comes to citizens of other countries we are required to offer them the same privledges as we do to US citizens? But when it comes to US citizens who get in trouble or attempt to do business in other countries they do not get the same treatment their citizens get.

Americans can’t own coast land in Mexico. And get no title to it elsewhere. If they run out of cash they’ll get unceremoniously sent back or put in jail untill some relative comes up with the “fresh”. That’s just for starters as for granting them voting privledges yea let’s give Mexican citizens that right when American citizens vote in their elections .


17 posted on 11/13/2012 8:53:29 AM PST by mosesdapoet ("Vengence is mine".....Thus sayeth the Lord.)
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The fundamental flaw in this piece is that it’s based on the premise that the GOP hasn’t already committed political suicide.


18 posted on 11/13/2012 8:53:52 AM PST by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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We'd be bringing in a huge influx of Democratic voters. Roughly 70% of Hispanic Americans already vote for the Democrats and you have to expect that the Democrats would capture an even larger percentage of illegal aliens.

If one goes with the theory that the main purpose of the Beltway GOP is to keep the Democrats in power and vastly expand the federal government, then it makes sense. (Look at what they did in the time between Hoover and Reagan.)

30 posted on 11/13/2012 9:36:42 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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If you’re actually naive enough to believe that amnesty will bring Hispanics over to the GOP, then ask yourself a simple question: Do you really think the Democrats would strongly support a policy that’s going to cost them millions of votes?


Brilliant in its logical simplicity


31 posted on 11/13/2012 9:38:21 AM PST by Personal Responsibility (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - Orwell)
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I was at a house party last Saturday night and had a conversation with a Hispanic male who looked 35-40 who has been working for Obama for America... He said he was deported but snuck back in and goes under many identities since coming back to the US. Even though he has been working for Obama he seemed like a nice guy who isn’t loyal to Obama. My conversation started when I overheard him talk to a Russian guy who has been in the US for the last 6 years. The two were talking about how a famous lady that makes predictions that had made a prediction that the last president of the US would be black. They both were laughing and agreeing with it... Oh, and the guy is convinced that the country is “gone”. I would have talked to him more one on one and had planned on it but he left the party by the time I started looking for him again.


33 posted on 11/13/2012 9:52:58 AM PST by Democrats hate too much
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I lived in California from 1964 to late 2004.

The number of illegal intruders in the 60’s and 70’s was pegged at 20 million.

I don’t think that number has gone down, except in Obama press releases. In the last 4 years, Obama’s number of illegals has gone from 15 to 14 to 13 to 10 million. IF they were dying off at that rate, we would know about it.

They have continued to grow in number, with a wide open birder & lack of the Fed government to stop their intrusion.

Then they have bred like rabbits while here. The 14th Amendment is being improperly used with those births.

I believe there are between 50 and 60 MILLION illegals here in the USA.

Why would the Republicans want a sudden 5 to 1 ratio of new persons here legally—demanding jobs—more free education—more benefits— you name it.

Obama will give them the right to vote immediately, also. They don’t speak English—I won’t learn Spanish to deal with them, either. I will walk away.


35 posted on 11/13/2012 10:12:14 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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I’d vote for a Democrat over a pro-amnesty Republican. No one who advocates amnesty is going to get my vote.

I’ll vote for the person who looks out for America - not for the party!


36 posted on 11/13/2012 10:41:37 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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The Left owns identity politics.

The GOP can’t compete with the Left on gimmes and giveaways. Democrats will always do the free stuff better than Republicans do.

Amnesty would be a disaster for the Republican Party and the country. The party in effect would be agreeing to enfranchise millions of new Democratic voters.

Its the stupidest idea I ever heard of. Incidentally, part of the reason Mittens lost last week was cuz he embraced Amnesty full-bore.

That should tell people its a political loser for Republicans. If they are so foolish as to join the Democrats on this - the conservative movement will die in this country.


38 posted on 11/13/2012 10:48:46 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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They are all poor and will be associated with wanting to elect the santa clause party.


41 posted on 11/13/2012 11:10:12 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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Before amnesty, illegals were easy to spot, literally from a block away, amnesty made that impossible because illegals and those who still appeared as illegal but were under amnesty looked the same.

Younger freepers or those not from border states probably won’t understand that.


45 posted on 11/13/2012 11:46:06 AM PST by ansel12 (Todd Akin was NOT the tea party candidate, Sarah Steelman was, Brunner had tea party support also.)
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