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To: WhiskeyX
...the current fashion for secession is illegal...

All people of this earth have an innate and intrinsic right to disassociate themselves from any political union that has become a despotic oppressor against them.

If by "illegal", you mean that there are laws established against the right of a people to exercise their God-given right of free association, then that law is immoral and without natural standing.

60 posted on 11/13/2012 3:02:39 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

No, that is a strawman argument. Th problem is you misrepresent the situation. The United States rebelled when they were eexcluded from the British Government and their colonial charters and colonial governments were arbitrarily abrogated. The situation was also quite different because the United States included conquered colonies and people who were not British in their origins. Britain treated the United Sates as a conquered territory rather than one of its own homelands for Englismen with Englismen’s rights.

The United States is our own nation. As citizens of the United States we still possess considerable powers as political bodies and as individuals in shaping our government, abating government corruption, and removing usurpers. The problem is there are simply too many americans who have learned some of the Revolutionary slogans without understanding their context, meanings, and historical applicability. Too many people remain ignorant of the Republic’s principles despite reciting their words. Some people are too lazy to respect the in which these principles seek to remove conflict and engage in conflict by legal and moral means.

Although I have very strong doubts the people advocating secession will understand or appreciate the way in which the stroy applies to current circumstances, someone just might. So, I recommend readers visit Youtube, get a bowl of popcorn, and watch Jimmy Stewart and Marlene Dietrich in the movie Destry Rides Again.

Kudos to the first person who gets the idea.


64 posted on 11/15/2012 2:22:15 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: Windflier

No, that is a strawman argument. Th problem is you misrepresent the situation. The United States rebelled when they were eexcluded from the British Government and their colonial charters and colonial governments were arbitrarily abrogated. The situation was also quite different because the United States included conquered colonies and people who were not British in their origins. Britain treated the United Sates as a conquered territory rather than one of its own homelands for Englismen with Englismen’s rights.

The United States is our own nation. As citizens of the United States we still possess considerable powers as political bodies and as individuals in shaping our government, abating government corruption, and removing usurpers. The problem is there are simply too many americans who have learned some of the Revolutionary slogans without understanding their context, meanings, and historical applicability. Too many people remain ignorant of the Republic’s principles despite reciting their words. Some people are too lazy to respect the in which these principles seek to remove conflict and engage in conflict by legal and moral means.

Although I have very strong doubts the people advocating secession will understand or appreciate the way in which the stroy applies to current circumstances, someone just might. So, I recommend readers visit Youtube, get a bowl of popcorn, and watch Jimmy Stewart and Marlene Dietrich in the movie Destry Rides Again.

Kudos to the first person who gets the idea.


65 posted on 11/15/2012 2:22:30 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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