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The Myth of the Missing Three Million Republicans
American Thinker ^ | 11/13/2012 | Jack Cashill

Posted on 11/12/2012 8:26:20 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Edited on 11/12/2012 9:30:57 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

A score of people this past week have asked me about the three million Republicans allegedly "missing" at the polls this year. For starters, if the Washington Post is to be believed, Mitt Romney received 1.3 million fewer votes than John McCain did in 2008, not 3 million. For the record, Obama received 7.5 million fewer votes in 2012 than he did in 2008.

More than 1.1 million of the Republican votes were "lost" in California. It is not that California Republicans turned against Romney. His percentage of the vote was higher than McCain's in 2008.

Excerpt, read the rest at American Thinker


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012analysis; 2012electionanalysis; bho2012; cashill; election; republicans; romney2012; voterturnout
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1 posted on 11/12/2012 8:26:25 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
And the Q for NY is, did Obama also lose votes?

If both Romney & Obama lost votes, as I thought they would, then it was more due to storm Sandy's aftermath.

As for CA, of course...'tis good strategy not to vote for one of two liberals ... when you know your vote vs. Obama won't do any good

2 posted on 11/12/2012 8:38:50 AM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: SeekAndFind

The conservative internet sites are covering this, and the massive blatant voter fraud, but where is it on national TV? I haven’t heard one thing on FNC. Did I miss something?

The ‘missing’ Republicans are still out there, but so are those from the left who were dis-satisfied with O. Voter disenfranchisement should NOT be taken lightly — from either side!


3 posted on 11/12/2012 8:40:12 AM PST by Exit148
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To: SeekAndFind; Jim Robinson
This revision, if correct, is the reason I have been calling so often on these threads for us to withhold judgment about how to proceed. Until we know the data we certainly cannot decide, for example, whether to move right or left or whether to emphasize women's or Hispanics or whether to concentrate exclusively on economic issues.

Until we know the numbers we are just blowing smoke.


4 posted on 11/12/2012 8:48:03 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Exit148

Eric Shawn is the guy at Fox News

http://foxnewsinsider.com/tag/eric-shawn/

e-mail Eric Shawn- voterfraud@foxnews.com


5 posted on 11/12/2012 8:48:22 AM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: SeekAndFind
obozo’s lost votes margin would have been even larger with out that 3 million + Romney votes that were most likely redirected to the obozo
6 posted on 11/12/2012 8:50:11 AM PST by drypowder
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To: SeekAndFind

In the swing states, votes for Romney weren’t ‘missing’. THEY WERE DESTROYED AND/OR SIMPLY NOT COUNTED. The reason the House races didn’t change much is because thousands upon thousands of ‘Obama only’ ballots were stuffed into ballot boxes. Easy to ‘fill out’ 10 ballots per person if all one does is place one check mark on it. And no names on ballots; BRILLIANT!! /s


7 posted on 11/12/2012 8:50:44 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks. “We”, thanks to our fast computers and internet connections, too often make the mistake of interpreting trends and forming conclusions based on whatever meager and unverified data happens to come down our internet pipes. There is merit in waiting until the facts are known before condemning a candidate, the electorate, or the whole blinkin’ country.


8 posted on 11/12/2012 8:51:27 AM PST by bigbob
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Wouldn’t surprise me if the U.N. ‘poll monitors’ brought ballots pre-filled for 0bama with them.


9 posted on 11/12/2012 8:52:09 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
The reason the House races didn’t change much is because thousands upon thousands of ‘Obama only’ ballots were stuffed into ballot boxes.

Not "Obama Only" ballots, but Straight Democrat ballots.

That explains the results in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania where every statewide race down the line went for the Democrats. In previous years, in both states, statewide races are typically split between the parties.

You can get away with this if those ballots are reserved for "safe" districts/wards where nobody will fuss and where the House race is not affected.

This fraud was conducted to ensure Obamacare would remain in place, even if Obama somehow lost as the Senate would remain in Dem hands.

10 posted on 11/12/2012 8:58:25 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Colofornian
As for CA, of course...'tis good strategy not to vote for one of two liberals ... when you know your vote vs. Obama won't do any good."

While this assertion sounds plausible, keep in mind that California has been losing moderate to conservative population for years.

While their population continues to rise some, it is mostly a function of massive legal and illegal immigration, mostly from poor countries and these people have a far higher fertility rate than the Californians of two or three decades ago.

Bottom line is the "takers" are coming and they are multiplying after they get here.

11 posted on 11/12/2012 9:09:50 AM PST by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Not to be argumentative, but places like VA, OH, and FL have R governors and SoS.

Are they really letting the Dems steal this?


12 posted on 11/12/2012 9:12:45 AM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's bankruptcy: 2016)
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To: Positive

2.5 million folks die every year. High percentage of them are old white people who vote Republican. Being replaced by non-whites that vote Dem 70% plus.


13 posted on 11/12/2012 9:14:28 AM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's bankruptcy: 2016)
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To: nascarnation

Good question!


14 posted on 11/12/2012 9:15:34 AM PST by kenavi (Lost the country? Win your state.)
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To: nascarnation

Or young voters (I don’t necessarily mean 18 year olds, but maybe late-20 early 30 year olds that haven’t been involved in the past) that are more on the libertarian side of the Republican spectrum. They find the disagreement over gay marriage and comments from Todd Akin offensive, but still believe in fiscal conservatism.


15 posted on 11/12/2012 9:19:35 AM PST by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ping for later


16 posted on 11/12/2012 9:19:49 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: SeekAndFind
I haven't seen the word, "Diebold" on one of these threads.

Are our memories that short?

17 posted on 11/12/2012 9:25:26 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I watched the gigantic enthusiastic crowds for Romney week after week in the swing states, while obama could barely fill a high school gym. The psycho lying media can write anything they want. I know what I saw with my own eyes. The vote was manipulated and unless we are able to uncover the real numbers, there is simply no reason to ever vote again.
18 posted on 11/12/2012 9:38:43 AM PST by Casie
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To: SeekAndFind

Again...I am reminded of reports of “sensitive” touch screens on machines.
I am also reminded of a New Mexico TV station scrolling election “results” 2 weeks before the election. Same story with an Ohio website.

I don’t believe 3 million sat home - although I do believe their votes “disappeared”

The results were pre-determined.


19 posted on 11/12/2012 9:47:31 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: Erik Latranyi

actually in Wisconsin all the state races went GOP but Senate and pres went democrat, saw Gov walker discuss this on election night

lazy ballot fraudsters in Wis didn’t bother with local races


20 posted on 11/12/2012 9:48:13 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: silverleaf
actually in Wisconsin all the state races went GOP but Senate and pres went democrat, saw Gov walker discuss this on election night

You misunderstood my post.

I said STATEWIDE races all went Dem. In Pennsylvania, we had statewide race for Attorney General, Auditor General, Treasurer and US Senate. Democrats won all of them.

Even in 2008, Pennsylvania split those races between Republicans and Democrats. That tells me that any ballot stuffing was party-line, not just top-of-the-ticket.

21 posted on 11/12/2012 9:57:05 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: AuntB; SeekAndFind

Ping!


22 posted on 11/12/2012 9:59:35 AM PST by sickoflibs (How long before cry-Bohner caves to O again? They took the House for what?)
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To: sickoflibs

Be prepared to hear all about lots of “voters staying home”...the Bipartisan Oligarchy would rather we all stew in that mess..than having us all bothered, and deciding to investigate, about all the voters voting who never voted...

Listening to descriptions of how “Democrats got out their ground game” with “superior ability to bring those to the polls who normally would never go” by the commentators on Fox election night..made me realize..what they actually have done is track names that HAVE NOT VOTED IN MANY, MANY elections cycles....and vote them.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/23/No-Car-Finds-2-214-Registered-Voters-110-Years-of-Age-Older

A well-funded project, county-by-county..to examine the names signed in at at the polls..and going out to find those individuals..you’ll find they were never physically at he polls..or they themselves never filled out the absentee ballot....or their names in the death registers.

The very LAST thing the Bipartisan Oligarchy want or need is any semblance of Constitutional Federal Gov’mt or a clean vote.

Both those are up to We the People to cram it down their throats so hard in DC they will, someday, never do otherwise.

Absent a clean vote.....We the People are being taxed without representation..Ask George III how well that worked out!


23 posted on 11/12/2012 10:02:31 AM PST by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: nascarnation

In a word? YES. Wherever blacks are involved, Republicans steer clear. THE SOCIALISTS KNOW THIS. So who does 0bama appoint? Blacks, females, gays and lesbians.. He knows the Republicans wouldn’t dare challenge them on anything. A book could be written about this. I’d call it, “THE CARD SHIELD”. This is the only reason Holder is STILL in office (Notice how Petraeus resigned? HE DOESN’T CARRY A ‘CARD’ He’s also a conservative, honorable man). My point is, it’s gotten to the point where the Republicans are so afraid of being labeled ‘racist, sexist, homophobic, etc’, that the cesspool we call the ‘Democrat party’ is allowed to reap ruin over our electoral process, commit cover-ups, blatantly break laws, etc... DISGUSTING. It’s time the GOP/Republicans/Conservatives GROW A PAIR AND SAY ‘SCREW YOU. I DON’T CARE WHAT COLOR OR GENDER YOU ARE OR WHAT YOU DO WITH YOUR SEX ORGANS.. YOU’RE GOING TO JAIL!!’ Political correctness, biased news media, corrupt Socialists who hide behind their ‘Democrat’ masks and Republicans so willing to accommodate them... So much wrong on so many levels.


24 posted on 11/12/2012 10:14:32 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: bigbob

I don’t know why anyone here thinks they are ever going to know the “facts” about the election totals. We’ll NEVER know.


25 posted on 11/12/2012 10:18:27 AM PST by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: Erik Latranyi

sorry, I thought you posted that all the Wisconsin state races went democrat, they didn’t

Wisconsin stinks of fraud with overwhelming vote for GOP at state level races but obama and baldwin won? that is not even logical


26 posted on 11/12/2012 10:24:27 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: nascarnation

My mother was a lifelong Republican till the day she died. She’s voted Democrat ever since.


27 posted on 11/12/2012 10:28:21 AM PST by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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To: SeekAndFind
There are millions of uncounted votes. Romney is going to exceed McCain's 60M votes and end up pretty close to Bush's 62M 2004.

http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/main

28 posted on 11/12/2012 10:33:11 AM PST by Ken H
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To: SeekAndFind
More than 1.1 million of the Republican votes were "lost" in California.

According to the cnn election map(see post #28), CA has only counted 71% of the total. Romney has over a milion votes there, assuming the 60-40 ratio holds.

This article is not reality based.

29 posted on 11/12/2012 10:39:37 AM PST by Ken H
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To: Ken H
Should be - "Romney has over a milion additional votes there (in CA), assuming the 60-40 ratio holds."
30 posted on 11/12/2012 10:42:36 AM PST by Ken H
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To: nathanbedford

Have you seen this from Joel Pollak?:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/11/How-to-Win-in-Blue-State-America-Lessons-from-South-Africa-s-Opposition


31 posted on 11/12/2012 10:45:41 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: nathanbedford

The hell we don’t. Never move left!! Defend the constitution!! Defend Life and Liberty to the hilt!!


32 posted on 11/12/2012 10:49:32 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Dan Nunn
Or young voters (I don’t necessarily mean 18 year olds, but maybe late-20 early 30 year olds that haven’t been involved in the past) that are more on the libertarian side of the Republican spectrum. They find the disagreement over gay marriage and comments from Todd Akin offensive, but still believe in fiscal conservatism.

Young voters are liberals and they believe what the left has taught them, right now the left is focused on destroying social conservatism, then they will work on destroying the economic policies of the social conservatives.

The left will succeed with the young, until we can make them more inculcated with social conservatism.

33 posted on 11/12/2012 10:59:27 AM PST by ansel12 (Todd Akin was NOT the tea party candidate, Sarah Steelman was, Brunner had tea party support also.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Sarah Palin speaks out about voter fraud on twitter: Sarah Palin News ‏@SarahPalinLinks People need to stop pointing fingers within the GOP and investigate the Dems' massive voter fraud and suppression of the military vote.
34 posted on 11/12/2012 11:07:13 AM PST by patriot08
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To: SeekAndFind

In order to win elections, you must have a motivated base. Romney did NOT motivate the majority of conservatives and tried to ride the wave of anti-Obama feelings. It was not enough.

Perhaps the GOP-e will learn this important lesson.


35 posted on 11/12/2012 12:16:45 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

In the swing states, votes for Romney weren’t ‘missing’. THEY WERE DESTROYED AND/OR SIMPLY NOT COUNTED.

— Totally agree. Why did Romney’s #’s drop vs McCain’s in OH and PA but Romney did significantly better than McCain in surrounding states and other swing states ? I know our absentee ballots in PA disappeared and others have reported that they were told this was a widespread problem by officials in their district. As far as OH goes the early ballot count was almost 60:40, no way that was accurate unless votes from R districts were missing or counted later.


36 posted on 11/12/2012 1:48:39 PM PST by Bigjimslade
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To: Dan Nunn

Your point is interesting. The dem party also has disagreement over gay marriage and Todd Aiken only made one comment I know of that was inaccurate and his race was only relevant to Missouri. Dem’s make offensive comments frequently and J Biden, for example, makes comments, weekly, that suggest he is undiplomatic and too foolish to have in a seat just one step away from the Presidency. Wouldn’t those points matter to libertarians? I suggest a more predictive answer may be found in education and media propaganda. Most people simply don’t know better. Those are just my assessments. I appreciate your post and am not criticizing.


37 posted on 11/12/2012 1:51:58 PM PST by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: iacovatx
The dem party also has disagreement over gay marriage and Todd Aiken only made one comment I know of that was inaccurate and his race was only relevant to Missouri. Dem’s make offensive comments frequently and J Biden, for example, makes comments, weekly, that suggest he is undiplomatic and too foolish to have in a seat just one step away from the Presidency. Wouldn’t those points matter to libertarians?

Thanks for your response. I have no response for why Joe Biden gets away with being perhaps the dumbest man to ever occupy the office of Vice President, when virtually everyone on our side, going back as far as Dan Quayle, George W. Bush, and Sarah Palin get branded as morons. You are likely correct with the media propaganda and education.

As for the other issues, I never found myself feeling this way before until recently. I'm a relatively young voter (under 30), grew up in a small rural town up north, pretty much sheltered by people that all thought the same as me (most of my like-aged friends were also conservative). Now, living in the midst of a youthful, southern city, I'm surrounded by people of different upbringings but similar ages. Many are conservative. Many are not. I've tempered my distaste for those that think differently, because otherwise I'd find myself isolated. But I am deeply interested in figuring out why they think how they think.

What I've found when asking them is a lot of the expected - largely, their beliefs start from how their parents think, but their thought process has to develop on its own afterwards. I have spoken with some liberals who call the Republican party a party of hate, predicated around those two issues. Todd Akin may live in Missouri but in this election, his words were an albatross around the necks of Republicans across the country.

Gay marriage is an issue that, as you said, conflicts some Democrats, but the dichotomy of vitriol against the opposing side is astounding. Those younger voters that aren't for it, that I can tell, may find homosexuality wrong (or more commonly, disgusting), but they don't really care about the issue. It's not a pivotal issue for them, and many that don't support gay marriage would be happy to just let the issue die with civil unions. Those that are for gay marriage, however, brand the Republican party again as a party of hate, one that is for "holding down" a group of people, and vehemently oppose any Republicans based on this one issue.

The libertarians, especially, view the gay marriage issue as one not worth fighting over at best, and at worst, a dealbreaker. It makes sense as one of the core principles of libertarianism is about individual rights, with the "live and let live" philosophy. The absolute best example of this way of thinking is by Michael Arrington, a Silicon Valley millionaire who has started and sold many businesses and invested in many more. Although he's older than my demo that I was referring to earlier (he's 42), I still think the article reflects the feeling of a lot of libertarians I've talked to: No More Republicans for Me.

I have my opinions and I've been careful to leave them out of this post for it's not relevant. This has merely been my observation about younger voters in a swing state and the need to address them if Republicans plan on attracting these voters as they age.

38 posted on 11/12/2012 2:21:23 PM PST by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: ansel12

Young voters are liberals and they believe what the left has taught them,

— true, but I think there is more to it than that. The young have been taught to respond to emotional triggers, not logic and the leftists know this and are masters of exploiting it.

I once heard an ex-KGB agent speak about how 90% of the KGB budget was spent on influencing our schools. He said that they couldn’t just try to make teachers push communism so they focused on teaching children to think with their emotions and reject logic. They could then be manipulated into supporting whatever argument they wanted by hitting their emotional triggers. This strategy was applied to my generation but for some reason I always got defensive when someone tried to trigger my emotions and I was always conscious of it. I’d say 90% of my friends fall for this crap though.

According to this speaker their research stated that once someone was taught this way it was almost impossible to reverse it, and you could simply never offer enough logic to overcome an emotional argument with them. We need to learn to exploit this strategy when dealing with younger voters instead of fighting it with logic.

One of the keys to the data-mining operations that the Dems have been using is to assign people into groups that can be easily manipulated into voting using certain emotional triggers. It works and we have nothing that even comes close to counter it with.


39 posted on 11/12/2012 2:37:41 PM PST by Bigjimslade
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To: Colofornian

I am missing something. So fewer voters voted. I know Republicans who decided not to vote this time. They had a myriad of reasons and they have a right to those reasons and the right not to vote. I am sure the voting has gone up and down in past elections. I must be missing something here.


40 posted on 11/12/2012 3:21:45 PM PST by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America; patriot08

I’ve seen a couple of comments about this but do you have any links? Several people would be very interested.


41 posted on 11/12/2012 4:25:33 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Bigjimslade
They could then be manipulated into supporting whatever argument they wanted by hitting their emotional triggers.

Hm, do you have some examples?

42 posted on 11/12/2012 4:33:33 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Casie

Except making the legitimate vote reflect the artificial one.

That is the problem with this lawless federation. if you don’t vote and somehow insure that vote is illegitimate they are going to rob you blind.

It is probably outside of our capability to make-sure any vote is legitimate, sinse the ones in power are placed there by the same illegitimate vote. Once you lose control of the flow you can’t regain it, for lack of the same control which you lost.

The only real hope aside from a compete restart(revolution) is that Courts will somehow discover the fraud and reverse it. That i think is extremely unlikely given the nature of the fraud and the courts.


43 posted on 11/12/2012 5:01:05 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: DallasSun
Well, #1...some are hyper about the vote totals, even though a lot more will be added by next week when states certify them.

#2...Yes #s go up & down @ elections...Still, what I've heard is that the Voting Age population has gone UP by 21 million since 2004...If you & I were talking about stable pop #s of the voting-age populace, that'd be ONE thing; but when you don't have at least SOME kind of voting increase to trail the increase in eligible voters, then that usually spells a problem for democracy.

I know some don't lament these "left-out" voters -- because they oft' come across as either shepherdless (no clue WHO to vote for), or they are shepherded by the wrong leaders (like black churches who bus their members to vote for Obama 100%-0).

As for having good reasons NOT to vote for either Romney or Obama, hey, I identify with that...voted for Virgil Goode.

As for having good reasons NOT to vote at all...well, every election is more than just about the POTUS race...lots of regional & local races & issues. So far as conservatives go, I don't look favorably of those voters who simply skimped key elections.

Since we're a govt ruled by the people (well, in THEORY we are), people need to steward that in some way...

44 posted on 11/12/2012 5:14:02 PM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: OneWingedShark

They could then be manipulated into supporting whatever argument they wanted by hitting their emotional triggers.
Hm, do you have some examples?

—My favorite example was one of my workers. Total misanthrope animal rights person, covered in tats and piercings, never bathed etc etc. and openly hated black people (I had to threaten to fire her for making racist remarks).
Through data mining they could identify the animal rights groups she belonged to, who her friends were, what ads/sites she clicked etc etc. One of her friends was recruited to constantly work on her to vote for Obama but finally what did it was they bombarded her email with footage of people in Alaska shooting wolves from airplanes and blamed Sarah Palin of course.
She registered to vote and actually took the day off to drive back to her home state to vote for Obama. All because she felt she was getting back at Sarah Palin. She couldn’t have told you about one issue in the election and whether Obama won or not would change nothing for the wolves in Alaska, but they hit that emotional trigger and it turned literally one of the laziest most unmotivated people I’ve ever met in my life into someone that would have walked through fire to vote against Sarah Palin and threw a party to celebrate it to boot.

I see this stuff all time from my friends though. I try to make a case about how raising taxes will actually hurt the poor the most and the response is blabber about how I haven’t seen how poor people really are in such and such a neighborhood and I don’t care about the poor. They just skip past the logical argument and go back to emotional ones.

The other classic example is getting kids on the side of global warming by showing a mother polar bear separated from her cub by the melting ice. Once they see that you can try to explain that even polar bear cubs can swim for miles so this never happens but you will never overcome that initial response.


45 posted on 11/12/2012 5:37:06 PM PST by Bigjimslade
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To: nathanbedford

>> Until we know the data we certainly cannot decide, for example, whether to move right or left or whether to emphasize women’s or Hispanics or whether to concentrate exclusively on economic issues.

Move left, pander???

The GOP needs singing lessons, and better microphone. It doesn’t need to “move left” at all.


46 posted on 11/12/2012 5:45:28 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Carry_Okie

So strange, people are going to analyze data from a fraud ridden election. Garbage in, garbage out.


47 posted on 11/12/2012 6:16:57 PM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: riri
Remember, "It's not a bug, it's a feature"?

The left got its panties all in a wad about it. Conservatives cheered, without realizing who was running the equipment.

Remember Soros' effort to elect socialist secretaries of state in battleground states? I'd sure like to see a correlation between those results and this election.

With the lines people witnessed, something really stinks.

48 posted on 11/12/2012 6:44:35 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: Jim Robinson; Gene Eric
Agreed, agreed 100% but this time, maybe just this one time, we could defend it smart.


49 posted on 11/12/2012 7:09:03 PM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: SeekAndFind

BTTT!


50 posted on 11/12/2012 8:36:53 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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