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To: superloser
and not having someone's religion crammed down their throat

Do you mean, by this, no interference with the abortion license and mandatory recognition of homosexual "marriages," or do you mean something else?

If you mean something else, could you give a specific example of what you mean?

25 posted on 11/10/2012 4:27:21 PM PST by Tax-chick ("Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up." ~marron)
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To: Tax-chick; cripplecreek
Do you mean, by this, no interference with the abortion license and mandatory recognition of homosexual "marriages," or do you mean something else?

Something else.

At the risk of sounding cynical, abortion will simply never be overturned despite efforts to do so. It hasn't happened in 40 years. The demographics are now such that it just is not going to happen. Let's put it this way; churches are closing and kids are bailing out left and right. The multiple sex scandals and abuse cases within ALL denominations aren't helping.

Within another 20 years, the number of non-religious will be huge. Gigantic. Dwarfing Evangelicals. Where I live, this is the #1 non-religious state at about 30%. Not surprisingly, its blue. I do not like it being blue.

As for same-sex marriage, I've had that argument with various people as well including describing what works, what doesn't work, and all that. Quite simply, nobody really has an issue with 'civil unions' or ensuring that people can have someone at the hospital for them. Basic recognition that someone can have someone to speak for them. The issue in that is the word "marriage" and the insinuation that there could be a requirement for Churches to perform such things.

Its a fight. If you take the position with some of these folks that Churches should be left alone and not forced to do things, you get some push-back but there has not been an argument with a militant anti-theist on that issue I've had yet where I didn't win it on the basis of basic liberty.

That's about how it is. Its sad, but its true.

27 posted on 11/10/2012 4:59:59 PM PST by superloser
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