Posted on 11/10/2012 7:22:21 AM PST by Kaslin
This is the most important two sentences in the article. We have created another huge entitlement system that will bankrupt our country along with Medicare, SS, and Medicaid. The politicians will respond to public pressure and not make the prescribed cuts in much the same way they enact the "Doc fix" every year to Medicare. Eventually, as intended by Obama, we will be forced to go to a single payer system. Obamacare was always intended to be an interim step.
There is still one way to get rid of Obamacare, as soon as the first person is taxed for it. That person will then have standing to challenge the law, on the basis that tax bills must come from the House, and the Obamacare bill was gutted in the Senate and filled with Harry Reid’s text.
This ruling about standing was made in Florida, purposely by the Justice Department, to keep anyone from challenging Obamacare on that basis until 2014, when the first penalty/tax will be paid.
Roberts’s vote not as cuckoo as it sounded. He stopped the Commerce Clause from becoming a catchall and established the Obamacare penalty as a tax.
Implementing Obamacare is the best outcome now. Liberals would have never accepted that it wouldn’t work if it got overturned. Now they will see the proof as it falls apart, doctors and other medical people rebel, the lines get long and the costs skyrocket.
People learn most lessons the hard way. Prepare for the hard way in a lot of areas, including Obamacare.
All this is true, but misses the point - The PPACA (Obamacare) is not SUPPOSED to “work”. As I posted here at the time of its passage, it is a purely Leninist work of destruction.
These six things barely scratch the surface of what’s “wrong” with it. It doesn’t even discuss the IPAB, which (supposedly) prevents future Congresses from legislating (you know, the Congress which possesses “all legislative powers herein granted?).
Long before the PPACA actually has to “work”, the system will be in ruins and the people will be begging for what the PPACA was ACTUALLY designed to deliver - full seizure of all healthcare related businesses and the final smashing of the Class Enemy.
Looking for a positive in Obama retaining power is like looking for a positive in hurricane Sandy destroying your neighborhood. One of the few positives is that it may make ObamaCare easier to repeal. I don’t believe that Romney would actually have repealed ObamaCare. Four (eight???) years of ObamaCare under a “Republican” president would have made that unconstitutional law far harder to repeal. Assuming that a real conservative takes the White House in four years, with the expected weak economic growth due to liberal government and ObamaCare, repeal will be much more manageable than in a post-Romney world. Considering the destruction we face over the next four years, that is not a positive vision, but it is better than the destruction plus keeping ObamaCare.
Absolutely.
The biggest problem is that the Health Care Exchanges cannot possibly be up and running by 2014 let alone be ready to enroll people and pay providers. Many states will balk at creating the exchanges so the burden will be wholly on the federal government. Imagine the chaos in 2014 when millions of people lose their employer sponsored plans, cannot possibly afford private plans, make too much to qualify for Medicaid and the much touted Exchanges do not yet exist. Not only will these people not have any health insurance they will be fined for their predicament. If that doesn’t bring mobs with torches and pitchforks to Washington I don’t know what will.
I'd like to believe that....but thanks to the complicit leftist media, the commiecrats will double down on blaming the 'greedy' insurance companies and medical firms for the high costs and failures.
The same people who apparently accepted the notion that Benghazi was caused by a stupid YouTube video will not learn the truth. They'll accept all kinds of lies as long as they think they're getting 'free' health care, and that the nasty conservatives just want to take away their rights.
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Disagree, the Liberals will not accept that Obamacare won’t work. As the author notes, they will support the major surgery necessary to keep it functioning somehow until we go to a single payer system. They will not let go of the Holy Grail. It is too important to the cult called the Democrat Party.
I need to change my signature now that Obamacare will never be repealed and America’s fate is sealed.
I need to change my signature now that Obamacare will never be repealed and America’s fate is sealed.
The Democrats said as much, that this is just a stepping stone to single payer. I forget which Democrat Senator said it, but after passing Obamacare, one of them reassured the liberals who wanted single payer by saying that they were building a house, and you don’t build it in one step. First you have to build the foundation, then the walls, then you can add the roof and the rest of it.
He stated that Obamacare was just the first installment on the way to single payer. He was completely open on the fact.
The other method of passing an amendment requires a Constitutional Convention to be called by two-thirds of the legislatures of the States. That Convention can propose as many amendments as it deems necessary. Those amendments must be approved by three-fourths of the states.
Obamacare is not the law of the land. The bill had to be passed before it could be read. Therefore, it is not proper law no matter what the MSM and Progresso's say.
By my count there are 36 state legislatures which are either Republican controlled, tied, or are red states, possibly conservative Democrat. To me the public opposition to Obamacare should be enough to secure their passage of an amendment to nullify it in some way. Are there any chance 2 of the below more Democrat-leaning states would sign on and give us the necessary 38 states?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_state_legislatures#State_legislatures
California
Connecticut
Delaware
Hawaii
Illinois
Maryland
Massachusetts
Nevada
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
Rhode Island
Vermont
Washington
I’ll try to look up polls etc. on those states to see how strongly they oppose Obamacare.
Most Americans oppose it so even if they’re Dems, you’d think they’d go along with that.
Apparently amendments can also be ratified by state conventions, not just state legislatures. I’m not quite sure how such a convention works, but it was used once to ratify an amendment. A convention of states has never been used to propose an amendment before, but it is the alternative way to do it other than having the House and Senate propose them.
http://www.usconstitution.net/constam.html
The Constitution, then, spells out four paths for an amendment:
Proposal by convention of states, ratification by state conventions (never used)
Proposal by convention of states, ratification by state legislatures (never used)
Proposal by Congress, ratification by state conventions (used once)
Proposal by Congress, ratification by state legislatures (used all other times)
Stop that.
America lost this election because of two things:
1) We have lost enough jobs through outsourcing, that the balance of power is now virtually even.
2) Romney was a Mormon.
We can stop the loss of US jobs, and probably will. Democrats are at least partially protectionist. In this I will support them.
Romney however was a huge mistake.
We won’t get too many more. We need to plan much more carefully now.
All that said, there are not better places to run to. If America collapses - everyone will.
Fix America.
NO!
Did the Election Save ObamaCare?
Yes at a cost of a few million more jobs lost.
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