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7 Things The GOP Needs To Do To Start Turning It Around
Townhall.com ^ | November 10, 2012 | John Hawkins

Posted on 11/10/2012 4:14:47 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin

It’s all just pissin’ in the wind. There is nothing that anyone can say or do now that will prevent this nation from going down the crapper. It’s done.


21 posted on 11/10/2012 5:02:05 AM PST by Lucas McCain
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To: Kaslin
Pretty well stated. Some additional thoughts:

We got Mitt because the conservatives were and still are fragmented. We got outvoted in the primary, period. We don't control the pubbies because conservatives don't have enough votes. Heck we run people that agree with us eighty percent of the time off Free Republic because they are not pure enough. Note to conservatives this is not the way to gain the necessary votes to win.

Be that as it may, we lost the election IMHO because our candidate did not forcibly attack the dims. And what attacks might be appropriate? It is past time to call lifelong welfare recipients what they are: THIEVES. It is past time to call the mainstream media what they are: PROPAGANDISTS. It is past time to identify the democrat party as the party of VOTER FRAUD. We get voter fraud because we don't enforce existing laws and cannot/will not pass the laws necessary to protect the integrity of the ballot box. It is past time to call democrat run cities what they are: LAWLESS. And it is way past time to say so FORCIBLY.

It is past time to call activist courts what they are, DICTATORS. And it is way past time to provide support to freedom loving states by supporting NULIFICATION.

In short Pubbie leadership, it is past time to stand for something and tell the truth. What do you have to loose? Your methods and moderate ideas are not winning anyway.

22 posted on 11/10/2012 5:03:27 AM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Timber Rattler

Let’s try running a candidate that has some balls. One that is not afraid to say what he thinks and screw what the media had to say. Call a liar a liar and thief a thief. Here we had a guy that should have crucified this Obama guy for the horrible way the situation in Libya was handled but our guy did not have the balls enough to rake his ass over the coals. This Romney guy should have hammered Libya ever day endlessly bringing up the lies and mistakes made by Obama and his cronies. But no we got a touchy feely good guy that has no balls and he was afraid to get dirty. I could have run a better campaign than the republics did this time and the last two times. The republic party has no balls and run around like a bunch of little grade school girls. Bunch of pussies if you ask me.


23 posted on 11/10/2012 5:04:43 AM PST by Plumberman27
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To: Vigilanteman

Given all the support for Romney here, I’m not surprised.


24 posted on 11/10/2012 5:05:23 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: Timber Rattler

Agreed; the Republicrats are dead. It’s time for a true opposition party; not a “look-at-me, I-agree-with-my-friends-across-the-aisle” bunch of spineless liars.

They ARE 21st century Whigs. Let the TEA Party be a political force, nominating true Conservatives and holding them to a pledge: Lower taxes, no funding for DeathCare, no taxpayer funded abortions and above all, faithful to the Constitution.


25 posted on 11/10/2012 5:05:23 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: JCBreckenridge
I don't agree that Santorum could have won. I love him and his ideas, but he is about as exciting as watching grass grow. We need a charismatic, articulate candidate whose ideas are not already viewed as extreme before he even announces his candidacy. The Democrats are great at demonizing our candidates and the MSM is not going to help us correct any misconceptions.

Santorum also would most likely have lost his home state because of the massive voter fraud that took place. With 30 Republican governors, there should be a better way to combat voter fraud. We should emphasize that the purpose of voter identification measures is not to keep any eligible voter from voting, but to keep their legal vote from being canceled out by ten illegal ones.

We know that our conservative ideas are the way to prosperity, but, as Rush often says, it takes some time for a uninformed, MSM, public school educated voter to grasp them. I think Rush's idea of getting his program on Spanish radio stations has some merit as well as the author's idea of supporting conservative versions of the stale, old Democrat organizations. A case in point is Pat Robinson's American Center of Law and Justice which has done an excellent job as a counterweight to the ACLU.

26 posted on 11/10/2012 5:05:37 AM PST by srmorton (Deut. 30 19: "..I have set before you life and death,....therefore, choose life..")
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To: Utmost Certainty

Democrat Underground is over there. ->


27 posted on 11/10/2012 5:06:04 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: Nuc 1.1

You’re correct, we are fragmented and that’s why we lost. When we have ‘conservatives’ calling Santorum as ‘sir sweater vest’, etc. We deserve to lose.

The wisdom was that they could successfully ignore conservatives since we had to vote for Romney.

That - didn’t work out too well this election.


28 posted on 11/10/2012 5:08:38 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: Kaslin
Pet peeve time.

There's a reason Albert Einstein said that "insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

I can find no reason to believe Einstein or Ben Franklin ever said this. It certainly doesn't sound like language they would use. The earliest attribution seems to be to a book from Narcotics Anonymous in 1982. Whenever I hear this quote (or any other quite so glib)attributed to a great thinker from the past, I lose a ton of respect for the writer.

It is a good quote, but there is no need to falsely attribute it to make it more meaningful.

29 posted on 11/10/2012 5:08:55 AM PST by TN4Liberty (My tagline disappeared so this is my new one.)
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To: VRW Conspirator
He raises a lot of good points, but he's wrong about that particular point. The first three primary/caucus states in 2012 were Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina.

The results of these were:

Iowa: Santorum
New Hampshire: Romney
South Carolina: Gingrich

If anything, I would make the case that the early primaries are inconsequential in a presidential nomination process. Didn't McCain beat Bush in New Hampshire in 2000? And didn't Dick Gephardt win Iowa a few times, too?

30 posted on 11/10/2012 5:09:21 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: srmorton

No different than Romney who also failed to win a single county in his home state.

Why do we have one ‘lesser standard’ for Romney, and a higher bar for Santorum?

“whose ideas are not already viewed as extreme before he even announces his candidacy.”

Do you support Abortion sir?


31 posted on 11/10/2012 5:10:16 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: Nuc 1.1; All
agree w/ your premise...
what happened to nuc 1?

32 posted on 11/10/2012 5:10:27 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Anger a Conservative by telling a lie; Anger a Liberal by telling the truth. - RWR 8-)
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To: Vigilanteman
You should have seen what happened when I tried telling that to the Newtbots back in February.

Yep, I remember those "St. Rick" threads well.

33 posted on 11/10/2012 5:13:59 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Kaslin

Lets see after Mccain got sacked they said the same sh##. Stop the bullsh##, the only thing they will respond to is competition or relinquish the riegns of power to the tea party. The latter will never see the light. I am no longer a republican!


34 posted on 11/10/2012 5:14:15 AM PST by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: JCBreckenridge
With all due respect, you are completely wrong about this.

To paraphrase one wag from a nationally syndicated radio show: Jerry Sandusky will be a special guest on Sesame Street before Rick Santorum is ever elected to the White House.

I think Santorum is a good man and brings a lot of good ideas to the table. But he's not a strong candidate who is going to win over voters outside his core supporters. This is why he lost his own Senate seat in Pennsylvania by a wide margin in 2006.

If Santorum had been nominated in 2012 by the GOP, he would simply have become just another marginal presidential candidate who couldn't even carry his own state ... like Al Gore and Mitt Romney, for example.

35 posted on 11/10/2012 5:14:47 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

Romney was selected in Michigan by voters who were Democrats going on marching orders from the unions.

Until we close our primaries, this will continue to happen. For some reason, the state GOPee leadership refuses to close the primary.


36 posted on 11/10/2012 5:15:18 AM PST by Mrs. P (Figures can lie, and liars can figure.)
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To: Plumberman27
I agree with you 100% on that one. For all of his many flaws, this is exactly how Chris Christie won in New Jersey -- and why he continues to be a popular governor even though this is a heavily Democratic state.

If he had been sitting across the table from Biden when Biden was going into his theatrics during that VP debate, he wouldn't have ignored him ... he would have laughed at him and humiliated him right there at the table.

This is exactly the kind of thing he would have said: "Why don't you grow up and stop acting like a three year-old, Joe? You're on national television, and you're embarrassing yourself, your boss, and the entire country."

37 posted on 11/10/2012 5:19:15 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: ronnie raygun
the only thing they will respond to is competition or relinquish the riegns of power to the tea party.

Heh...remember when the TEA party first emerged in the spring of 2009, and all the party-first hacks said 'NO!,' we have to stay with the GOP-E and work to change it from within?

Well, look where that got us (again).

38 posted on 11/10/2012 5:21:42 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Alberta's Child

What did Romney bring to the table?

We lost Senate seats, we lost house seats. He brought two states that McCain did not win - Indiana and North Carolina.

We were told, endlessly, that we had to vote for Romney because he was the only one who would not damage the Republican party. This did not happen.

“If Santorum had been nominated in 2012 by the GOP, he would simply have become just another marginal presidential candidate who couldn’t even carry his own state”

Romney failed to win PA, and he failed to win even a single county in his home state (something btw, that has NEVER HAPPENED).

So I repeat - what exactly did Mitt Romney bring to the table? What disaster did we avert by choosing Romney over Santorum?


39 posted on 11/10/2012 5:22:46 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: abb

Confronting media bias doesn’t work. Media bias was continually confronted this election. Not a night went by we didn’t hear about it in one form or another. “If Ronald Reagan had done this in Libya...” blah, blah, blah.

Instead of confronting media bias, conservatives need to find a new media better, faster, and more entertaining than the old media, or we need to own at least one more of the old media outlets.

Until that time, it will continue to be common that most voters think BenGhazi is a new icy-hot version of BenGay.


40 posted on 11/10/2012 5:23:06 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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