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Officials Want Military to Take Over Power Restoration on Long Island
NBC 4 New York ^ | Nov 9, 2012 | Greg Cergol

Posted on 11/09/2012 10:30:39 AM PST by george76

Some officials are calling for the U.S. military to take over the managerial structure of the Long Island Power Authority until power is restored on Long Island, where more than a quarter million homes and businesses are still in the dark after Sandy and a snowstorm.

Nassau County Executive Edward Mangano and U.S. Rep. Peter King will ask the federal government for help, a spokesman for King tells NBC 4 New York.

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LIPA was warned as long ago as 2006 that it was not prepared to handle a major storm, that it badly needed to replace outdated technology and did not keep up with critical maintenance.

Among the issues the utility was warned about include a 25-year-old computer system not capable of tracking outages, and failures to keep up with basic tasks like replacing rotting poles and trimming trees near power lines, the paper said.

Newsday said a reporter on Thursday visited the Hicksville headquarters of National Grid, which is the company contracted by LIPA to oversee operations, and found engineers tracking outages with highlighters and paper maps.

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnewyork.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Connecticut; US: Louisiana; US: Mississippi; US: New Jersey; US: New York; US: Pennsylvania; US: Rhode Island; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: sandy; snowstorm

1 posted on 11/09/2012 10:30:42 AM PST by george76
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To: george76

US News media: Katrina? Whats a Katrina?


2 posted on 11/09/2012 10:32:10 AM PST by skeeter
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To: george76

So local government and the levy boards failed in Katrina. Here we have the public utilities falling on there face. Must be Bush’s fault.


3 posted on 11/09/2012 10:33:59 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: george76

Official to soldier:

Here, give me your gun and take this ladder ... now go to work.


4 posted on 11/09/2012 10:34:42 AM PST by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: USNBandit

I’m sure our Army Reserve can swing into action with what equipment ? Knowledge of power lines ?


5 posted on 11/09/2012 10:35:11 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: George from New England

But it’s now a “Global Force for Good” don’cha know.


6 posted on 11/09/2012 10:36:02 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: george76

The officials simply want a scapegoat to blame


7 posted on 11/09/2012 10:37:49 AM PST by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: george76

Will the military have to join the union as well?


8 posted on 11/09/2012 10:41:33 AM PST by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: Ingtar

Bloomberg would have to disarm them first and store their weapons at the UN.


9 posted on 11/09/2012 10:43:05 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Ingtar

>>>Will the military have to join the union as well?<<<

Nah, they’ll just have to pay union dues.


10 posted on 11/09/2012 10:44:19 AM PST by Above My Pay Grade
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To: Teacher317

Let them call MSNBC Chris Matthews and have him go on TV and call Obama for help.....maybe Valerie Jarrett will answer the phone. Maybe Cher or the Pimp with a Limp will intervene for them.


11 posted on 11/09/2012 10:47:42 AM PST by upstatenyrepublican
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To: george76

Some officials are calling for the U.S. military to take over the managerial structure of the Long Island Power Authority until power is restored on Long Island, where more than a quarter million homes and businesses are still in the dark after Sandy and a snowstorm.


I can see that those people have a problem, but there is a bigger problem and it is in washington, what we need is for the military to take charge there.


12 posted on 11/09/2012 10:51:00 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: george76

All NY Obama Voters:

Sing after me,

Katrina my Lord, Katrina . . .

Still turning away the non-union electrical crews??


13 posted on 11/09/2012 10:56:32 AM PST by LRoggy (Peter's Son's Business)
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To: george76

The unions would raise hell.


14 posted on 11/09/2012 11:04:22 AM PST by DManA
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To: LRoggy

My attitude these days is, they voted for Obama, let Obama save them. There is nothing the military can do about outdated infrastructure anyway. What fools!


15 posted on 11/09/2012 11:09:22 AM PST by cbvanb
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To: george76
"LIPA was warned as long ago as 2006 that it was not prepared to handle a major storm, that it badly needed to replace outdated technology and did not keep up with critical maintenance."

What happened to 'shovel ready'? What happened to the trillion dollars of Porkulus? What, this project wasn't ripe for stimu-cash?

I'd love to cast Obama in the role of The Dude. "Where's the money, Lebowski?" Now there's a remake I could get into.

16 posted on 11/09/2012 11:16:00 AM PST by SargeK
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To: cbvanb
My attitude these days is, they voted for Obama, let Obama save them. There is nothing the military can do about outdated infrastructure anyway. What fools!

Yup! +1

17 posted on 11/09/2012 11:16:03 AM PST by FightforFreedomCA (Democrats Own This Economy)
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To: george76

Military needed to fight off IBEW, that are fighting ‘scabs’ from other states?


18 posted on 11/09/2012 11:19:09 AM PST by duckman (I'm part of the group pulling the wagon!)
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To: cbvanb
My attitude these days is, they voted for Obama, let Obama save them. There is nothing the military can do about outdated infrastructure anyway. What fools!

The 2012 version of 80s classic "Let the bastards freeze to death in the dark!"

19 posted on 11/09/2012 11:19:15 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: george76

20 posted on 11/09/2012 11:20:56 AM PST by WVKayaker ("Mitt Romney couldn't keep up with lies and spin of Barack Obama" - Sarah Palin 10/24)
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To: george76

Shoreham LI NY nuclear power plant was completed in 1984 but was never opened . Politicians voted to have it closed. “As you sow so you reap”


21 posted on 11/09/2012 12:04:24 PM PST by capt B
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To: george76
Somehow I think they've had ENOUGH gov't help already!
22 posted on 11/09/2012 12:13:17 PM PST by Renkluaf
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To: george76

After Katrina (MS) I thought it would take many weeks to restore power. They had 75% done in a week. Most of the people that were without for weeks were in hard to get to places.

We had power workers from as far away as Canada. NOBODY was turned away.

The power companies are some of the most efficient operations in the country.

What these people are suffering through is a national disgrace.


23 posted on 11/09/2012 1:00:50 PM PST by logitech (Who's here so vile, that will not love his country? If any speak, for him I have offended)
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To: USNBandit
So local government and the levy boards

I think the word that you are looking for is 'levee'.

24 posted on 11/10/2012 6:33:27 AM PST by PAR35
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To: george76

but wait, I though Obama went there and waved his hand and solved all this.. Maybe if we fail to report this, people will still think that.

signed, MSM


25 posted on 11/10/2012 6:35:21 AM PST by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: PAR35

No, I meant Levi , as in the jeans. :). I’ve been using an iPad and the autocorrect has been kicking my butt.


26 posted on 11/10/2012 7:10:14 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: george76
.....and found engineers tracking outages with highlighters and paper maps.

If we engineers in the west could be so lucky.

We have to buy our own highlighters!

For those not so well informed, most of our national infrastructure has been going downhill for years. While it is operational, it can be maintained at a fairly low cost, but once it fails, it becomes very costly to restore the system to previous operating conditions.

The situation is made worse when people who don't know anything about the profession think they can fix all things by broad sweeping solutions.

The same arrogant bliss as the above reported comment occurs 98% of the time when somebody is managing an "Optimization or Optimal Control" project to install 'smart controls' throughout an infrastructure.

When operating companies don't even have adequate information to manually operate and control system failures, they won't improve things by 'automating' them.

Some things are improving with telemetry, where policies to meter everything, might make it feasible to actually have a better intuition on network flows in utility systems, but many such implementations simply install expensive meters with communications, but no well understood method to organize, track and monitor the data, let alone make intelligent decisions on load shedding.

When an electrical network is hard down, it can only be reliably brought up slowly, while coordinating loads and responses between safety devices.

Generators and local PVs, tend to complicate the problems because some installations end up back feeding the system when not properly installed per the codes.

I'm more reassured knowing they are tracking the solution manually, because it shows they actually understand how their system works from the bottom up.

The low tech solution using single line diagrams, maps, and highlighters shouldn't be ridiculed. The people who think everything in life should be a cellphone application should be ridiculed.

27 posted on 11/10/2012 7:28:38 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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“It turns out there was a 300-page contract that the union controlling LIPA [the Long Island Power Authority] wanted everybody to sign first,” the utility worker, who wanted to remain anonymous, said. “We don’t have time for that. We’ve got guys ready to go. You need lawyers for this.”

“We’re not complaining about money,” the Floridian added. “You can pay us less. We don’t care. Just let us go up there.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/02/theres-more-georgia-power-crew-turned-away-from-sandy-stricken-new-york-for-refusing-to-join-union/#ixzz2Bq5AeDZP


28 posted on 11/10/2012 8:49:57 AM PST by dervish (Psalm 109:8)
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To: capt B

It was a union shithole.


29 posted on 11/10/2012 8:54:09 AM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: USNBandit

I’ve seen complaints about the Ipad autocorrect on other boards as well.


30 posted on 11/10/2012 3:08:37 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Cvengr
The low tech solution using single line diagrams, maps, and highlighters shouldn't be ridiculed. The people who think everything in life should be a cellphone application should be ridiculed.

Are you trying to say there isn't an app for that?

Seriously, you are absolutely right, power will be restored slowly but surely with the safety of the people doing the work a very high priority.

Stupid politicians and the military won't do a thing to speed up the process.

31 posted on 11/10/2012 3:18:52 PM PST by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY)
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To: PAR35

It is my enema.......Damn it! Got me again.


32 posted on 11/10/2012 3:19:51 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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