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To: EveningStar

I live here, and so does my family.

I am from the East Coast originally, and understand red state mentality, which I have here.

The bottom line is that there are millions of third worlders. Plain and simple. It is over here, done. I am listing my home next week with a Realtor. People here do not and are encouraged to NOT speak English and are ENCOURAGED to go on Social Services (Section 8, food stamps, AFDC, TANF, job fairs, college grants, Obamaphones...they have billboard signs in the barrio and ghetto ASKING people to sign up - courtesy of the taxpayer).

Cloward and Piven moving at 120 MPH with no brakes. Immigration unchecked, unchecked illegal voting, unchecked union power.

Jerry Brown is an unmitigated Marxist who can now force everyone to pay for his unions to rape the Treasury.

My taxes (small biz) just went up 2% retroactively to January 2012 for the “children” - (they used an apple in the Prop. 30 ads). This is to backfill State pensions and healthcare costs.

They will not stop. It’s over. I am looking for work now out of state.


25 posted on 11/09/2012 8:54:25 AM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: wac3rd
My taxes (small biz) just went up 2% retroactively to January 2012 for the “children” - (they used an apple in the Prop. 30 ads).

Interesting fact, such a change is prohibited to criminal law, as per the deciding of Caldur v. Bull:

I will state what laws I consider ex post facto laws, within the words and the intent of the prohibition. 1st. Every law that makes an action done before the passing of the law, and which was innocent when done, criminal; and punishes such action. 2d. Every law that aggravates a crime, makes it greater than it was, when committed. 3d. Every law that changes the punishment, and inflicts a greater punishment, than the law annexed to the crime, when committed. 4th. Every law that alters the legal rules of evidence, and receives less, or different, testimony, than the law required at the time of the commission of the offence, in order to convict the offender. All these, and similar laws, are manifestly unjust and oppressive.

So then to be changed in such an ex post facto manner, the taxes must be civil in nature and not criminal; the violation thereof then cannot be held in a criminal court, for criminal laws cannot be ex post facto, and thus you may demand a jury trial under the 7th amendment as the value in the controversy is greater than $20.

This leads us to a place where we can have jurors nullify tax-debts, no?

44 posted on 11/09/2012 10:00:10 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: wac3rd
My taxes (small biz) just went up 2% retroactively to January 2012 for the “children” -

My jaw hit the floor a couple days ago when I heard LaDona Harvey mention that the Prop 30 tax increase was retroactive to January. My W4 is set for "single/0" to cover my wife's taxes due to the damn marriage penalty. We're going to get hit hard since I'm having to work out of San Diego and pay CA state income taxes. Crap. I already have to spend $650/month to rent a bedroom and pay the high cost of living on the San Diego economy to keep my current employment assignment. Diminishing returns. I can take a lower paying job in Idaho after allowing for the costs of working out of town and have the benefit of seeing my wife more than 3 visits a year.

60 posted on 11/09/2012 1:02:17 PM PST by Myrddin
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