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To: SeekAndFind

The tipping point happened four years ago.

As long as the MSM exists in its current form, this will continue. Even if Obama lost, Progressive middle America will vote for the next socialist who comes along.

Topple the MSM, and this might change. Otherwise, it won’t.


4 posted on 11/09/2012 7:23:31 AM PST by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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To: mbarker12474

“Topple the MSM, and this might change.”

Agree that the MSM needs to go down, but the effort needs to be rooted more deeply. We need to work at the local level, schools, city/county politics, etc.


9 posted on 11/09/2012 7:59:37 AM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: mbarker12474

Agree.

However, the problem is much broader than the MSM.

The Left presently dominates the culture. The government of any society is primarily a reflection of its culture, as the Founders recognized. That’s why the American Revolution succeeded where most revolutions have failed in achieving their stated goals. Our Revolution did not attempt to change the society in any drastic way, only to build a government that reflected that society.

We have allowed our society to change in a bunch of ways that the Founders would have considered drastically negative. They would have been the first to concede that the government they devised is no longer appropriate for us.

If we cannot somehow devise a way to retake our society and our culture, I think we will just have to recognize that we need a new system of government.

Ours was devised as a minimalist system that would only do certain things. To keep it from exceeding those boundaries, it was designed with multiple checks and balances. But such a system is wildly inappropriate for a society that wants its government to “run the country.”

As the government attempts to do what people want, it encourages “work-arounds” of the Constitution. As we have all seen, the Constitution and its limitations are largely ignored when they conflict with the desires of the people. This encourages disrespect for the Constitution.

I suggest two possible solutions.

First, and greatly to be preferred, somehow retake our culture. I greatly fear this will not happen. Shifting a culture is a decades-long endeavor, and conservatives basically abandoned this field of battle 50 years ago. We are now seeing the consequences of unopposed leftist control of the culture-creating fields.

Second, recognize that our original system no longer works, and that it is better to salvage what we can than continuing to pretend that the Constitution, as originally devised, is functional any longer.

If there is any principle that is at the basis of conservatism, properly understood, it is the recognition of reality. The world is what it is, not what we want it to be, and true conservatives will do the best they can to preserve the best of the past, not lose it all by pretending they can save it all.

IMO


10 posted on 11/09/2012 8:01:49 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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