Posted on 11/08/2012 9:13:45 PM PST by Kevin in California
President Obama must have run a great campaign considering the tremendous numbers he put up in numerous big cities. Over in Philadelphia, he was lucky enough to get 90% percent turnout in some districts with over 99% of the vote.
http://prairiepundit.blogspot.com/2012/05/obamas-digital-campaign-dashboard.html#
This seems a little innocuous, but I think it’s part of what I saw on PBS from Ohio.
“I think they were supposed to be able to check the machines before voting began to make sure no votes had already been recorded.”
I’m sure you’re right. I have to claim complete ignorance on this matter....maybe on a lot of matters.
Sorry Hi-Tech, I have no idea what you are babbling about. You failed to make your point, seem frustrated and have resorted to name calling. You really won't get anywhere that way.
I agree with every word you wrote, except I went Romney after Perry dropped out.
That article is so much bs and smoke and mirrors. Who needs predictability data to get out the vote when 100% of your precinct shows up and votes 100% for Obama.
Note.
To say that the voters did not have a clue is an understatement. The majority of voters arrived to vote with a pile of campaign literature, conveniently distributed by the union members at the door to the building housing the precincts. The average time to vote was about 20 minutes as the voters had to match the campaign literature to the office they were about to vote for. It was not a fun day.
Don’t feed the FR resident troll :p
Heck Saddam Hussein "only" got 99% of the vote.
This is bull$hit. On a massive scale.
Nothing new in Philly. This is a common outcome.
Good question WildHighlander57. No one needs to hack a machine, whether a scanner or touchscreen device. There are no data with which to confirm the veracity of what is reported. There is no audit trail. No one can confirm that the results transferred from precincts, if indeed they even were transferred, are associated with the preferences stated by humans. Today, packets can be filtered so rapidly that no one would perceive that values contained in those packets have been altered.
The only voting mechanism, one still used in Israel and in a number of other countries, one which used to be used throughout the US, is to have local precincts count their own ballots, on site, immediately after the close of polls, and secure the ballots in sealed containers which are guarded and stored in secure vaults until challenges are no longer relevant. The counting was done by local precinct workers representing all parties, all observing the count, and free to check any ballot. Their count became the official count, and was what was forwarded to state and then federal election officials.
The reason given for the cessation of this mechanism was that television networks needed to report results immediately. They convinced someone that eliminating local counts would make the data available sooner. This was a time, justified or not, when few people questioned the validity of our sacred election process. The generated by machines were actually sent to, and counted, by a private corporation, Voter News Service, based in New York, and owned jointly by CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, and Fox News. Voter News Service counted our votes, and reported those numbers to networks in real time.
The popularity of immediate television vote counts cost us any possibility of verifying the integrity of voting systems because only local counts provide a trusted basis. Today, the integrity of local voters, precinct workers, is circumvented. All counting is done in secret. Only total counts can be ferreted from voter rolls, and those data have been shown to be nonsense when one hundred forty percent of the number of voters registered voted in some Ohio precincts, with similar excesses in Colorado, Missouri, and many other Ohio precints. Any surprise that Ohio, upon which the election presumably hung, is the source for so many obviously corrupted voting events?
One of many books written about voter fraud was written by two counterculture brothers, the Collier brothers, rock concert promoters, one an attorney, who decided to challenge Claude Pepper, who had been a Florida congressman for about a hundred years. They published a very left-wing newspaper much like Berkeley's Daily Barb.
In pursuing why television was able to report exactly, down to the last digit, the results of their Claude Pepper challenge, only an hour or two after polls had closed, when the next day two precincts still hadn't been able to report for having broken machines, was so obviously proof of fraud that the brothers became inspired investigators. Their idealistic goal was to show that money wasn't necessary to compete in the political process. As aggressive counterculture journalists they made film of League of Women Voters punching extra holes into ballots, invalidating them, to adjust the counts. They had film of prepunched rolls in voting machines sitting in obscure Broward County warehouses, ready to be deployed. These rolls presumably recorded the count stored when voters pulled the voting lever. The President of the League for Broward County committed suicide when confronted with this obviously criminal behavior.
The brothers filed lawsuits against the FBI, Broward election officials, and the Florida Attorney General. They discovered that after the FBI behaved politely, and accepted a carton filled with thousands of documents and hundreds of hours of taped evidence, the FBI claimed never to have met them, or to have received any data. Finally, after years of legal battle, their cases were dismissed for having exceeded the statute of limitations, even though there is no such statute for vote fraud. The Assistent DA who dismissed the case was Janet Reno. Ghosts from the past!
The Collier brothers hypothesized that senior political figures decided, after the Kennedy assassination, that voting was too important a process to entrust to citizens. It seems far-fetched, but the fact is that without local counts, and carefully protected paper ballots, there is no way to prove that the will of the people is represented in their votes, and thus no way to know who or what they chose as part of the voting process.
We have not had verifiable elections for many decades. It isn't possible to know how often our flawed voting systems have been used to effect elections. There is absolutely no doubt that today's systems permit no audit trail. Only humans, with the check of the presence of their neighbors and peers, can insure honest representation.
There are many other ways to cheat, such as bussing Somali citizens to precincts and providing SEIU interpreters to tell them how to vote, or assigning SEIU employees to count absentee ballots, as is standard practice in California. All those concerns are valid. But without a traceable vote counting system, fixing those problems is insufficient. Sadly, for all of us, and for my children, it may take the complete collapse of our economy, and some measure of political coup, to begin to return to representative government. Our current leadership does not respect, or want to be governed by our Constitution, and they are well along in rendering it an historical artifact.
I’m not surprised. I’ve benn a pollwatcher in Memphis and I’ve seen the same thing.
Evil is in the midst of us....what can we do to stop it short of revolution?
We Must speed the collapse, if the collapse takes too long then the generation who knew freedom once will be long dead and the victors of the revolution after the collapse will not know of freedom and will only create another totalitarian regime.
Speed the collapse by using their tools they fooled the sheep into voting for against the, sign the dead and the undocumented hypothetical people who live next door up for as government cheese as possible, destroy their system using their system, going galt only works if the civil society is still somewhat alive, it is dead, go beyond Galt, Poll Vault, sign up their fraudulent voters for their vaunted social programs....
Sometimes you gotta burn the old house down if it is infested with termites before you rebuild....
But that's the point. The Dems deliberately court the stupid and ignorant. Look at Obama's and other Dems's pitches to the electorate. It was an appeal to the greedy and the ignorant. The one percent have more money than they do, and it's not fair. They don't care about the mentality of the people who vote for them. They just want the power.
That’s just it. If there were any Romney voters who saw a 100% for the Dem statistic, they’d yell about it. And Pubbie party types would be on the case as well. You’ve got nothing.
We will drown in despair if we keep harping on the ugliness of what is/has been happening. Let’s spend our energies reaffirming God’s love and wisdom - it will energize us. Let’s also look and see if there are any actions we can take to make things better, whether it be to prepare ourselves for hard times, help others, or even set the Nation back on track - I fear the tracks have been destroyed, so the other options have precedence for now.
Many thanks for your excellent synopsis!
Your post should be its own thread.
I read the Collier brothers book “Votescam” many years ago.
It has been foremost in my mind all Tuesday evening and onward.
We need a modern Collier brothers!
Look, there is nowhere in America where 100% of the voters on the roll show up for anything. You are lucky if you get 45-50% of the folks coming out to vote in a district.
In a state like PA, where they cannot even get off their @sses to get a free photo ID card, you;re telling me that 100% of the registered voters in these districts physically made an appearance at the voting place and voted. That’s BS!
Let’s face it—this election was stolen. The Dems have been stealing elections since at least 1960 that we know of, and they count on us dumb Republicans to shrug our shoulders, walk away, and say “well, there’s still 2014!”.
I am tired of Lucy holding the football for me. Time for a new political party.
Boehner and McConnell are racing to see who can get to firmly plant their lips on Obama’s tush.
The elephant is dead.
Fryingpan101
The program is called Votebuilder. It uses the voter list purchased from the board of elections as a start. Then if went to an Obama site or democrat site and signed in it cross references you to the vote log and assigns you a score. The higher the score the more likely you will vote for Democrats. Every contact from mailers to phone calls to door to door canvassing is logged. The program can then generate lists for GOTV (get out the vote) canvassing.
What part of black voters don’t you understand? There are 100% precincts all over the country. We have 90% districts here in Virginia.
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