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332,754 Votes Would Have Secured a Romney Victory
Quora ^ | November 8, 2012 | Richard Tabassi

Posted on 11/08/2012 1:59:35 PM PST by CreviceTool

Ran across this on Quora: What is the minimum number of people who would have had to change their vote for Romney to have won?

Richard Tabassi, Renaissance Ape, Occasionally Witty Biped

Around 1/3 of a million in the right states. [1,2,3,4] EC 18:Ohio[1] Romney needed 103,520 people to win EC 29:Florida[2] Romney needed 50,869 people to win EC 13: Virginia[3] Romney Needed 111,985 people to win EC 6: Nevada[4] Romney Needed: 66,380 to win

Total: 332,754 to win Electoral College

There might be a combination that get him there in a shorter amount that I am not seeing yet, will update when I have time to crunch more numbers.

[1]Election results (huffingtonpost.com) Ohio [2]Election results (huffingtonpost.com) Florida [3]Election results (huffingtonpost.com) Virginia [4]Election results (huffingtonpost.com) Nevada


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KEYWORDS: electoral; romney; votes
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Forget the popular vote and comparisons to McCain, etc. It was just these states and a small number of voters that made the difference.
1 posted on 11/08/2012 1:59:39 PM PST by CreviceTool
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To: CreviceTool

448,875 in Michigan.


2 posted on 11/08/2012 2:03:44 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: CreviceTool

Easily all covered by small amounts of election fraud / fake people voting here and there. Imagine that?

Thug Dems usually can’t win an election on their own merrits.

GOP candidates need to go for the jugular - bring that Gun to the Knife Fight! We once again were too nice. My 2 cents.


3 posted on 11/08/2012 2:04:29 PM PST by WaterWeWaitinFor (This great nation has chosen socialism over freedom and our constitution. How sad.)
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To: CreviceTool

The reason Romney lost was RUSH announced that he’d win by a landlslide, so the “evangelicals” decided since it was in the bag, they didn’t need to vote.

RUSH was WRONG. He needs to take ownership of his part in the failed election. He blames you all.

Here in MN 80% of us vote, why didn’t you vote????


4 posted on 11/08/2012 2:09:42 PM PST by BarbM (Portuguese Dog--Kenyan president)
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To: CreviceTool

Sickening.


5 posted on 11/08/2012 2:12:54 PM PST by Gator113 (I would have voted for NEWT, now it's Romney & Ryan.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: CreviceTool

All around weird numbers in Michigan. It sucks to be stuck with stupidcow again I do think its funny that she got 171,091 more votes than Obama.

Another oddity is the fact that the union is patting themselves on the back for re-electing Obama but they apparently voted against their own constitutional amendments. Prop 2 would have given them the power to veto the state legislature and prop 4 would have allowed them to seize union dues from people not represented by the union.


6 posted on 11/08/2012 2:13:15 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

I knew Hoekstra was going to lose (likely something Hoekstra already knew) when I received an Election Day invite his Victory Party at Peppino’s Restaurant in Grand Rapids. Hardly the venue for a successful Senate campaign.


7 posted on 11/08/2012 2:18:13 PM PST by CreviceTool ( Obama is standing above the country above - above the world, he is sort of a God = Evan Thomas)
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To: CreviceTool

So the thugdems didn’t need to steal a huge number, then.


8 posted on 11/08/2012 2:19:38 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: BarbM
Actually Rush warned way back in December that nominating moderate Mitt would lose the election.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why has Governor Mitt Romney not had a so-called "surge"? We hear "surge" used with basically every Republican nominee, but you don't see that "surge" with Governor Romney.

RUSH: Well, every poll I've seen of Republican primary voters, he can't crack 30 percent. It has been curious. And you look at it from the reverse, 70 percent of Republican voters want somebody else. This is why we have the phenomenon of the "Not-Romney." Bachmann was the "Not-Romney" for a while. Herman Cain was the "Not-Romney." Now Newt is the "Not-Romney." I think it boils down to something that's not complicated at all. Republican primary voters are conservative. They don't believe that Romney is. They believe that he will stick a finger in the air and moisten it and see which way the winds are blowing and try to get in that direction. They remember that Romney said he believes in global warming and he believes that man is causing it. Well, conservatives don't believe that. They believe it's a hoax. Conservatives know that the whole story of man-made global warming is a hoax. And they're not going to get excited by a candidate who is trying to gain favor with non-Republican primary voters by articulating that stuff.

Here's the big problem, Greta, for the Republicans. And I am a lone wolf on this. The rule of thumb in elections, both parties, 40 percent are going to vote Democrat automatically, whatever you do, 40 percent are going to vote Republican, automatic, no matter what you do. And in the middle, who do we have? The precious, God love them, independents and the moderates. And they are the targets. They are the focus of every election. And our brilliant campaign consultants tell our candidates they are the ones that know how to go get a majority of those independents. And we have, as Republicans, put ourselves in prison to this whole silly notion that you only win elections by moving to the center and getting great independents. Fine and dandy, but if you squander your base in the process, you haven't a prayer.


Rush Goes On the Record with Fox News Channel's Greta Van Susteren
9 posted on 11/08/2012 2:21:12 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

“Actually Rush warned way back in December that nominating moderate Mitt would lose the election.”

bull. On Monday 11/5 and Tuesday 11/6 Rush announded that Romney would win by a landslide.

What he said directly before the election mattered.

RUSH BLEW IT. and the lazy “evangelicals’ listened to him.


10 posted on 11/08/2012 2:24:10 PM PST by BarbM (Portuguese Dog--Kenyan president)
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To: CreviceTool

We can use this in four years.


11 posted on 11/08/2012 2:27:14 PM PST by GerardKempf (Let's Get Over This)
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To: CreviceTool

Hoekstra ran an awfully bland nearly invisible campaign. Its too bad because he would have been a great asset on the defense and security front. In the 7th district, Walberg ran a surprisingly aggressive against an invisible democrat.

It seems to confirm what I said all along. The democrats didn’t try to make gains in Michigan but played pure defense.


12 posted on 11/08/2012 2:29:54 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: BarbM

The “lazy evangelicals” do their own thinking.

Rush was pushing Romney just like I was and I could never stand Romney.


13 posted on 11/08/2012 2:32:52 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: CreviceTool

Using the NY Times vote totals, I get an even smaller number:

Romney needed 51, 940 votes to win Florida’s 29 electoral college votes; he needed 103,520 people to win Ohio’s 18 electoral votes; he needed 115,911 people to win Virginia’s 13 electoral votes; he needed 40,660 to win New Hampshire’s 4 EVs.

Total: 312,041 to win the Electoral College

This amounts to 0.263 percent of all votes cast for Obama and Romney. Does an election in which the result could have been reversed by roughly 1/4 of 1 percent of the electorate voting differently sound like a “mandate” to you? It’s comical to see progressives leap to assure us Obama has a mandate to raise taxes, implement Obamacare etc. based on such weak election results.


14 posted on 11/08/2012 2:45:26 PM PST by DrC
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To: DrC

There you go...an even smaller number. Might even be smaller when all votes are tallied in the states over the next 30 days.

WE NEED GET THIS INFORMATION INTO THE CONSERVATIVE ECHO CHAMBER!


15 posted on 11/08/2012 2:49:36 PM PST by CreviceTool ( Obama is standing above the country above - above the world, he is sort of a God = Evan Thomas)
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To: CreviceTool

Ohio, Florida, VA yeah...but finding another 66,000 votes in Nevada would have been very difficult...minus the Mormon church driving people to the polls the way black churches drive their members to the polls...(Nevada is 8% Lds & has some broader connections via the Boy Scouts)


16 posted on 11/08/2012 2:51:41 PM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: CreviceTool; All

Florida
Ohio
Iowa
Virginia

If you take the vote difference in these states, divide each by half, and subtract one from Obama and add one vote to Romney in each state, it only takes the following number to put Romney at 272 Electoral votes.

179,934 votes


17 posted on 11/08/2012 2:55:38 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and 47 million Americans are still without power.)
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To: DoughtyOne

MORE BETTAH!


18 posted on 11/08/2012 2:57:00 PM PST by CreviceTool ( Obama is standing above the country above - above the world, he is sort of a God = Evan Thomas)
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To: All

I failed one adjustment, so the number would be 179,938 not 179,934.


19 posted on 11/08/2012 2:57:00 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and 47 million Americans are still without power.)
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To: BarbM

I also heard Rush emphasize how important turnout was going to be with this particular election. Guess they had turned off their radio by then?

Anyone who chose to not vote in THIS election because of something they heard on the radio cannot blame anyone but themselves.


20 posted on 11/08/2012 2:57:52 PM PST by Let_It_Be_So (Once you see the Truth, you cannot "unsee" it, no matter how hard you may try.)
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To: CreviceTool

And if the dog hadn’t stopped to poop, he would have caught the rabbit.


21 posted on 11/08/2012 3:03:11 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Why is the government more concerned about protecting a microbe on Mars than an unborn baby here?)
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To: CreviceTool

RINO File.


22 posted on 11/08/2012 3:14:43 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: cripplecreek
The “lazy evangelicals” do their own thinking.

Yeah, they think they would rather have obama.

23 posted on 11/08/2012 3:27:51 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: DoughtyOne
subtract one from Obama and add one vote to Romney in each state

That assumes you can SWITCH an obama to a Romney. Won't happen in most cases. So, you still have to have 300,000+ more Romney votes.

24 posted on 11/08/2012 3:31:40 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: DoughtyOne; All

I calculate the following:

Fl 46,666 diff 29
Va 100,499 13
OH 107,421 18
NH 40,421 4/64 + 206=270

147.415 vote change from obama to Romney


25 posted on 11/08/2012 3:48:04 PM PST by ADSUM
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To: CreviceTool

Few enough votes that there is no doubt in my mind that fraud made the difference.

I think we just witnessed the democrat machine step beyond manufacturing dem votes to also destroying R votes. I know our absentee ballots didn’t make it in PA because I ended up being here and went to check at the polls, but there is much more to it than that.

My first “Oh Sh**” moment of the night was when they put up the early/absentee votes with the 1% precincts reporting under it. OH was listed as having a near 60:40 split. The difference was 18.5% I think which went against everything we had heard. I remembered that Rasmussen repeatedly said this was 40% of the vote and I really panicked. Then I calculated the actual # of votes as being about 20% of 2008s vote. This too made little sense b/c all the estimates were 30-40% but it at least made me think we had a better chance to catch up.

Then when I heard that Romney got less votes than McCain in OH and PA it really made me think that there might have been an effort to destroy the early votes from Republican areas. The reported party breakdown of early votes in OH according to Bloomberg: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-11-06/the-early-election-results-captured-by-democratic-microtargeters was 50D 36R 14I. The only way this turns into a near 59:40 breakdown is if the Indies went about 70:30 to O or many R’s voted for O which the polls don’t seem to bear out. The only other explanation I can think of is if only the early voting was shown and absentees were much more favorable but not listed ? The actual # reported on Bloomberg was 1,442,536 which was about 27% or so. Perhaps I can find the breakdown of absentee vs early votes somewhere, anyone have that info ?

In surrounding states like IN, KY, WV Romney did much better than McCain by percentage and generated more votes overall. Either the negative/mostly untrue ads suppressed our voters or someone suppressed their actual votes. I just can’t believe Romney/Ryan with 4 yrs of Obama turned out fewer R voters than McCain in these states.


26 posted on 11/08/2012 3:54:30 PM PST by Bigjimslade
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To: Bigjimslade

Maybe a group of concerned citizens could be assembled to inspect the voting anomalies of every county within known swing states?


27 posted on 11/08/2012 4:08:20 PM PST by CreviceTool ( Obama is standing above the country above - above the world, he is sort of a God = Evan Thomas)
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To: ADSUM

Okay, very good.


28 posted on 11/08/2012 4:39:48 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and 47 million Americans are still without power.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

To some extent or another, you’re right.

Not every vote is a die-hard vote, but enough where it would be hard to get half.

It would take an extreme situation to do it.


29 posted on 11/08/2012 4:41:55 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and 47 million Americans are still without power.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

You know, when I made that last post, I switched to thinking of the whole body of the vote. Instead we were simply addressing the difference in vote, a small percentage.

Flipping half those is not really impossible.


30 posted on 11/08/2012 4:43:47 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and 47 million Americans are still without power.)
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To: cripplecreek
And our brilliant campaign consultants tell our candidates they are the ones that know how to go get a majority of those independents. And we have, as Republicans, put ourselves in prison to this whole silly notion that you only win elections by moving to the center and getting great independents. Fine and dandy, but if you squander your base in the process, you haven't a prayer.

The electoral college system means you have to win votes in the swing states. You can pile up large majorities in the states you'd win anyway and it doesn't help you in the electoral college.

31 posted on 11/08/2012 4:47:05 PM PST by x
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To: cripplecreek

Absolutely, 100% correct, as Rush so often is. True to form, the media and other concern trolls are saying that the Republicans keep losing because they keep nominating far right guys like McCain and Romney. Yes, that’s the conventional wisdom that’s gathering out there.


32 posted on 11/08/2012 6:16:03 PM PST by cdcdawg
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To: CreviceTool

Voter fraud. It’s big.


33 posted on 11/08/2012 9:56:50 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: CreviceTool; a fool in paradise; Slings and Arrows

Only 332,754 Votes? A lesson for the future. If every FReeper had voted more than once we would of had it!


34 posted on 11/08/2012 10:00:02 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: BarbM
.....RUSH BLEW IT. and the lazy “evangelicals’ listened to him.

Please provide the documented evidence the lazy "evangelicals' listened to Rush. Maybe you have rushed to judgment?

35 posted on 11/08/2012 10:06:47 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Please help Todd Akin defeat Claire and the GOP-e send money!!!!!)
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To: BarbM

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2956981/posts


36 posted on 11/08/2012 10:09:34 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Please help Todd Akin defeat Claire and the GOP-e send money!!!!!)
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To: Just mythoughts

And 18 more points would have secured a Jacksonville victory tonight.


37 posted on 11/08/2012 10:10:33 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: CreviceTool; cripplecreek

>> Total: 332,754 to win Electoral College

>> 448,875 in Michigan.

Half of that if votes for Obama swung in Romney’s favor.

This was a very close election arguably with enough error/fraud to consider it an electoral tie.

Definitely concerned about Obama and Reid, but not as concerned about the confused voters that believe in Obama’s deceitful message and direction.

We need to reconstruct the GOP and fix the quality of information dispensed through conventional media.


38 posted on 11/08/2012 10:15:32 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: CreviceTool
Ok,here are the statistics. there were 1.8 million absentee ballots requested in Florida,1.81 million in Ohio,741,500 in Nevada and I couldn't find Virginia numbers.These votes won't be counted until around the 17th so they must be guarded very carefully or they will surely disappear!
39 posted on 11/09/2012 4:07:40 AM PST by makersmk2013
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To: little jeremiah

The dems only care about the swing states that both parties need to win.

It really didn’t take a lot to take what they needed to win. They were confident it would be done.

We all can sit here and throw blame around, but the dems have it down to an art and we won’t win again unless it is addressed.

My best guess is that we will not win again.


40 posted on 11/09/2012 4:15:41 AM PST by dforest
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To: Let_It_Be_So

The way the dems operate, they merely meet our turnout and win with their fraud machine.

Turnout is always important, but unfortunately, they have that covered.


41 posted on 11/09/2012 4:21:00 AM PST by dforest
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To: cripplecreek; BarbM
RE :”Actually Rush warned way back in December that nominating moderate Mitt would lose the election.

That guy is sooo smart. He is always right just as he says.

Rush: Everything But Polls Say Romney Landslide (Monday, 05 Nov 2012)

Ignore the polls Rush Limbaugh Says, Swing State Polls Are Bogus! (video posted 9/26/2012 )

He said McCain would win too.

42 posted on 11/09/2012 5:15:12 AM PST by sickoflibs (How could this happen? Romney going to win big. The polls were lies too)
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To: CreviceTool
There are a couple of more states that can still be carried by Romney like Wisconsin.Right now there are 205,000 votes difference,but there are still 545,000 absentee votes out.In Iowa there is a difference of 88,500 votes with 168,000 absentee ballots to be counted.in the state of Maine there is a gap of just over 100,000 votes with 188K absentees out.Get this,in Michigan there were OVER 1.2 million absentee ballots sent out and the vote was only 205,000 apart! 99,200 abs.ballots were requested in New Mexico,the vote total there as of today is 76,400 apart!As the intent of this story goes,there is more than enough of a chance for this to still happen if we can put enough lawyers,poll watchers,thugs,or what ever we have to have in place to guarantee the safety of the votes that have not been destroyed,YET.
43 posted on 11/09/2012 5:16:17 AM PST by makersmk2013
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To: sickoflibs

I knew Romney would lose too but I was promoting him as well.

Little moderate toadies like you would have been screeching bloody murder if he or anyone else had said otherwise.


44 posted on 11/09/2012 5:21:32 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
RE :I knew Romney would lose too but I was promoting him as well. Little moderate toadies like you would have been screeching bloody murder if he or anyone else had said otherwise.”

NOW you are saying that you knew Romney would lose but were saying he would win anyway like Rush was in his comments?(to make me happy when I cant stand liberal Romney)
That is downright decetful.
I guess if the RINO party nominated Hillary you would drink that Koolaid too.

45 posted on 11/09/2012 5:25:28 AM PST by sickoflibs (How could this happen? Romney going to win big. The polls were lies too)
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To: cripplecreek

So let me try the understand your Rush imaginary world:

Earlier this year he says Romney will lose to O, as you posted.

Then later this year he says all the polls are lies and that Romney will win in a landslide. (so just listen to him.)

Now he says Romney lost because there is no hope too many libs (so just buy Rush 24-7 and buy the products he hawks on his show) .

And you throw stones?


46 posted on 11/09/2012 5:35:05 AM PST by sickoflibs (How could this happen? Romney going to win big. The polls were lies too)
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To: sickoflibs

Just tell yourself whatever you need to tell yourself.

You were right there attacking anyone who spoke out against Mitt St Jesus.

Reap what you sowed and choke on it.


47 posted on 11/09/2012 5:39:45 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek; Gilbo_3
RE :”You were right there attacking anyone who spoke out against Mitt .”

Wow you really are a deceitful liar with no conscience who will say anything.

Here was my tag for the last few months while you were carrying Romneys water even though now you say you knew he would lose:

We got ALL the ‘ Romney is winning in a landslide ’ posts (AKA ‘the polls have been all wrong’ posts)
The ‘ Vote for Romney now or we all die ’ posts
Here is the ‘ Obama will declare victory EARLY to make R voters give up ’ post.)

59 posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2012 8:47:55 AM by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))

48 posted on 11/09/2012 5:52:29 AM PST by sickoflibs (How could this happen? Romney going to win big. The polls were lies too)
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To: sickoflibs; cripplecreek
ya know, we got bashed daily/hourly for weeks and months on end for simply stating that we couldnt carry water for the mittens...

we never asked or demanded that those folks who thought they must hold their noses, not do so, *or else*, yet we were attacked for stating the fact that we would no longer be taken for granted on the reservation...

at the same time, anybody that was honest, knew that mittens wouldnt be able to beat the bambam unless he ran a scorched earth campaign and engaged in a street fight, which he didnt appear to be capable of doing, at least not vs a fellow progressive traveler...

and here we are, in hindsight, still being fed moronic talking points that have been proven to be the bunk that we all knew they were, expected to apologize or feel guilty that a homo loving, anti gun, anti CHRIST, advocate of infanticide lost to his big brutha of another mutha...

give it a rest and decide which principles that YOU pissed away on the alter of fear, which undercut our ability to force the hands of the rin-o-p wannabe masters, and how to regain those principles, if they even matter in truth...

49 posted on 11/09/2012 7:04:01 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Gilbo_3; cripplecreek; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Impy; stephenjohnbanker
RE :”ya know, we got bashed daily/hourly for weeks and months on end for simply stating that we couldnt carry water for the mittens...
we never asked or demanded that those folks who thought they must hold their noses, not do so, *or else*, yet we were attacked for stating the fact that we would no longer be taken for granted on the reservation...”

But you know what the biggest joke is?

That we got bashed for not carrying water and then later having an utterly contempable character here who admits that he did carry MRs water later accuse you of forcing him to do it.. .. and accuse you of doing the same as he says he did. Is this downright sleazy or what?

To: sickoflibs
You were right there attacking anyone who spoke out against Mitt.

47
posted on Friday, November 09, 2012 8:39:45 AM by cripplecreek

50 posted on 11/09/2012 7:28:35 AM PST by sickoflibs (How could this happen? Romney going to win big. The polls were lies too)
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