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A Fork in the Road Part I
Steve Deace ^ | 11/7/2012 | Steve Deace

Posted on 11/07/2012 7:37:04 PM PST by JediJones

The very same people that have shoved Mitt McDoles down our throats for decades now will re-emerge from the ruling class to tell us that [Romney] was too conservative (I know, I laughed out loud, too)...

Romney did everything the cynical Karl Rove wing of the party says Republicans have to do to win...And he still lost.

Perhaps if Romney had gone after the president...on Benghazi the way he went after Gingrich and Santorum...he wouldn’t have lost.

[Obama] embraced his base, even on social issues....The progressives cast a vision that took more than one election cycle, followed it through, and won. They never detoured no matter what the facts were on the ground...

We no longer have a country that accepts many of our premises, so we have to go into evangelism mode. That requires a relationship and trust...it’s hard to build that rapport with people while demonizing them.

We are losing [young voters] by trying to win them over to...Judeo-Christian morality, personal responsibility, limited government... They've been educated in an environment that makes these values foreign to them. It will only get harder to win them over as they get older.

Solutions trump values every time because people always vote out of vested interest.

If 40 years after Roe v.Wade the culture doesn’t believe my own family line conceived in horrific and traumatic circumstances has the right to live, then we have lost the most crucial moral debate of this age and need to completely re-evaluate what we’re doing and why we’re doing it.

I remain optimistic....Providence has allowed us to live in a nation where we can control our own destiny,and we can do so again if we have the same courage of conviction demonstrated by past generations that gave us the freedom and liberty we currently enjoy.

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1 posted on 11/07/2012 7:37:07 PM PST by JediJones
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To: JediJones

Perhaps if Romney had gone after the president...on Benghazi the way he went after Gingrich and Santorum...he wouldn’t have lost.

He didn’t do that because he and Obama are comrads.


2 posted on 11/07/2012 7:40:46 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: JediJones

Every senior I know (and I know a lot of them from the senior golf league) who voted for Obama had this main reason...they all believe Obama will look after them better than Romney. Old fools! But I have given up arguing with any of them. You can’t teach an old cow a new trick as they say.


3 posted on 11/07/2012 7:41:18 PM PST by entropy12 (The radical socialist from Chicago and Acorn lawyer must be defeated! VOTE him out!!)
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To: JediJones

Perhaps if he did this or he said that..you know what? Good luck with Obama.


4 posted on 11/07/2012 7:41:33 PM PST by ari-freedom (Election Day should be after Thanksgiving, not right after Halloween)
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To: JediJones

Perhaps if Romney had gone after the president...on Benghazi the way he went after Gingrich and Santorum...he wouldn’t have lost.

Maybe! It depends on the MSM covering it!!! It is hard to beat Santa Claus as Rush said today!!! Young people and certain other people want free stuff. They really don’t care who pays for it since our school system has dumb down our kids so they don’t like hard work anymore. When I was a kid I worked picking berries and Beans in the summer. Now it is against the law for kids to work on farms.... they sit home all day and play video games!!!


5 posted on 11/07/2012 7:43:29 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: JediJones

“Perhaps if Romney had gone after the president...on Benghazi the way he went after Gingrich and Santorum...he wouldn’t have lost. “

Yes he would because the high maintenance perfectionists would find another reason to let Obama win.


6 posted on 11/07/2012 7:44:06 PM PST by ari-freedom (Election Day should be after Thanksgiving, not right after Halloween)
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To: JediJones

I thought that 5 or 6 people ran for the nomination in the primaries and that Romney won.....how did anyone ram that down your throat


7 posted on 11/07/2012 7:46:12 PM PST by terycarl
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To: JediJones

It doesn’t really matter.

What happened has happened, and what’s going to happen is going to happen.

The die has been cast and we are in for bad times.


8 posted on 11/07/2012 7:48:18 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: JediJones

The problem is that Evangelical voters did not turn out to vote on Tuesday, and this has become a persistent problem for the GOP since 1992 (2004 being the possible exception). You would think, of all elections, this would’ve been the one to vote in - but many of them chose not to vote rather than vote for a Mormon. GOP will probably abandon some social issues that Evangelicals hold dear as a result. Evangelicals will complain loudly but no one will listen, because their bark is always worse then their bite. Social issue conservatives face a bleak future indeed.


9 posted on 11/07/2012 8:15:12 PM PST by nfnet
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To: nfnet

Well then, the evangelicals deserve what they get, which is to be ignored.

The world is run by those who show up. Staying home and complaining about a “cultist” running for the office isn’t going to win anything... because guess what?

This country is going to elect a Mormon a heck of a lot sooner than they’re going some of these unctuous, sermonizing whinges.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 8:23:08 PM PST by NVDave
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To: nfnet

I personally think we should send them packing; Evangelical zealots are killing the GOP and doing so quite well.


11 posted on 11/07/2012 8:29:38 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: freedomfiter2
Romney did a good job, and was a very fine candidate that could have saved the economy. It was a clear choice between good and evil, and America consciously chose evil.

Romney could not have done anything to change that. Also, Romney was no Bob Dole (as many others have already noted).

12 posted on 11/07/2012 8:54:22 PM PST by The Duke
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To: nfnet

Can you link me to an article with some facts about evangelicals not voting in this election?


13 posted on 11/07/2012 9:01:56 PM PST by RedMominBlueState
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To: nfnet
The problem is that Evangelical voters did not turn out to vote on Tuesday, and this has become a persistent problem for the GOP since 1992 (2004 being the possible exception). You would think, of all elections, this would’ve been the one to vote in - but many of them chose not to vote rather than vote for a Mormon. GOP will probably abandon some social issues that Evangelicals hold dear as a result. Evangelicals will complain loudly but no one will listen, because their bark is always worse then their bite. Social issue conservatives face a bleak future indeed.

Highly overstated and non-rational reason.

What is more likely, is that they would not vote for a man who actively supported Abortion and the Gay Agenda.

You see, God tells us both of those are sins, and one of them he calls an Abomination.

That's the real reason.

Romney, being a Bishop in the Mormon church, a church that also considers these two actions sins, knew this as well.

It's extremely hard for a sincere Christian to vote for a man who is knowingly supporting two major Sins, especially when the Bible warns us to stay away from such people.
14 posted on 11/07/2012 9:12:10 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: The Duke
It was a clear choice between good and evil, and America consciously chose evil.

Sorry, but your analogy falls well short of the target.

Romney openly and actively, and knowingly supports the evils of Abortion and the Gay Agenda, as such, he not good.
15 posted on 11/07/2012 9:13:51 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: txnativegop; VinL; ex-snook; sport; INVAR; ejonesie22; PieterCasparzen; Colonel_Flagg; Washi; ...
I personally think we should send them packing; Evangelical zealots are killing the GOP and doing so quite well.

Cowardly, partial conservatives, such as yourself, are the one's killing the GOP.

Those of you willing to sacrifice the Social Agenda for your pocket-book issues will be the death of the GOP.
16 posted on 11/07/2012 9:15:43 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: The Duke
Romney could not have done anything to change that. Also, Romney was no Bob Dole (as many others have already noted).

No, he was worse than Bob Dole.

His record as Governor was absolutely left-wing and Progressive.

He can arguably be called the Father of Gay Marriage and the Father of Socialized Medicine in America, and with his current support for Abortion and the Gay Agenda, and his total lack of limited Government credentials/positions/ideas, he most certainly can be called worse than Bob Dole.

At least Bob Dole was a War Hero.
17 posted on 11/07/2012 9:18:57 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: SoConPubbie

The Social Agenda as you call it doesn’t feed my family. But i guess that is the difference between the two of us. You apparently can exist on morals; my children are not so fortunate.


18 posted on 11/07/2012 9:28:10 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: txnativegop
The Social Agenda as you call it doesn’t feed my family. But i guess that is the difference between the two of us. You apparently can exist on morals; my children are not so fortunate.

Why don't you go join a Libertarian web-site, they don't care about morality either.

You'd probably feel much more at home there.
19 posted on 11/07/2012 9:36:07 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: SoConPubbie
At least Bob Dole was a War Hero.

Did that help him in his run against Clinton?

SAN DIEGO, Calif. (AllPolitics, Oct. 16) -- In their final face-off before the Nov. 5 election, Republican Bob Dole criticized the Clinton Administration's ethical lapses and what he called "scandals almost on a daily basis,"

Apparently Americans for the most part don't care about integrity, morality or honesty.

20 posted on 11/07/2012 9:39:55 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (USA!)
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To: JediJones

Problem is: If Romney is not electable, what does that say about the field he beat handily in the primary?

We had a lousy field of candidates. And we never had anything approaching unity - not unsurprising given the field.

Blame the GOP? Blame Rove?

I think that’s a big cop out.


21 posted on 11/07/2012 9:40:48 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: nfnet; P-Marlowe; wmfights
The problem is that Evangelical voters did not turn out to vote on Tuesday, and this has become a persistent problem for the GOP since 1992 (2004 being the possible exception). You would think, of all elections, this would’ve been the one to vote in - but many of them chose not to vote rather than vote for a Mormon.

From the Christian Post: found at - http://www.christianpost.com/news/exit-polls-obama-gains-with-latinos-romney-gains-with-evangelicals-84574/

Despite concerns by some that Romney's Mormon faith would hurt his chances with evangelicals, Romney did better than McCain in 2008. McCain had 74 percent and Romney had 78 percent of the white evangelical vote.

White evangelicals' share of the electorate remained the same. They comprised about one in four voters, 26 percent, in both 2008 and 2012.

So, NFnet, did you simply not check before you made your comment about evangelicals? Is something else going on with you regarding evangelicals?

22 posted on 11/07/2012 9:41:28 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: SoConPubbie; txnativegop; VinL; ex-snook; sport; INVAR; ejonesie22; PieterCasparzen; ...

see /22


23 posted on 11/07/2012 9:44:04 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: SoConPubbie; txnativegop; VinL; ex-snook; sport; INVAR; ejonesie22; PieterCasparzen; ...

see #22


24 posted on 11/07/2012 9:44:37 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: SoConPubbie

And who are YOU to decide what is morally acceptable? Morals are based on belief systems: as such each belief system has a unique set of moral costructs.

Your belief in the Christian faith does not make it any more or less correct than any other belief system in the world.

You have simply proven my tag line . . .


25 posted on 11/07/2012 9:46:11 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: xzins
White evangelicals' share of the electorate remained the same. They comprised about one in four voters, 26 percent, in both 2008 and 2012.

Evidently, getting 26% of the electorate is not enough to win an election any longer.

A bigger tent is needed, and that means not necessarily compromising, but getting less strident about social issues that turn off the rest of the electorate you need in order to win.

26 posted on 11/07/2012 9:47:31 PM PST by superloser
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To: superloser

Well said.


27 posted on 11/07/2012 9:48:45 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: txnativegop
And who are YOU to decide what is morally acceptable? Morals are based on belief systems: as such each belief system has a unique set of moral costructs. Your belief in the Christian faith does not make it any more or less correct than any other belief system in the world.

You, my FRiend, should really listen to my last post to you.

On this site, we honor God, the Christian God, the only true and real God.

You really need to consider joining another site that does not have this fidelity to God

As for it being just another belief system, my own experience proves you are categorically wrong.

I don't have a belief system, I have an experiencial relationship with my Heavenly Father where he Saved me from my sins and changed my heart.

It's not a set of beliefs in my mind, but something that has provided real change in my life that I could not affect by myself.

This wonderful change of heart, mind, and soul I have experienced, can be yours as well, if you'll only Repent and Believe the Gospel and Christ commanded.
28 posted on 11/07/2012 9:51:16 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: superloser

The liberal coalition has blacks, hispanics, young women, etc.

Evangelicals are just one part of the conservative coalition. We have insisted on just two major concerns: pro-life and natural marriage. The Catholic voting bloc has those same two concerns.

Do you want to switch to pro-abortion?

Do you want to switch to support for gay marriage?


29 posted on 11/07/2012 9:53:48 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: txnativegop

see #29

Evangelicals were not the problem in this election.

There is a reason that unmarried females went with Obama....female heads of household who are using the government as the missing father who should be in the household.

There is a reason that blacks went with Obama. They are supporting a candidate of their own race and because they believe in an extensive entitlement security net provided by big government, ie, they are big government liberals.

Hispanics went with Obama because many are concerned by the violation of privacy they imagine coming from immigration checks, AND because many believe in an extensive entitlement security net provided by big government, ie, they are big government liberals.

Now, those + white liberals are the liberal coalition that re-elected Barack Obama. You can pick on evangelicals all night, but their supporting pro-life is not why Obama won.

They supported Obama because of racial identity issues and because they like getting stuff from the goverment.


30 posted on 11/07/2012 10:02:40 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: SoConPubbie

When, FRiend, did this become a Christian site? Your zealotry is showing again. Maybe you should think about finding a site dedicated to THE GREATER GLORY OF GOD as you would say.

Amazing how statements like those cut both ways isn’t it?

Now, this has been an utterly fruitless exercise, zealots seldom engage in conversation, rather they repeat the object of their zeal endlessly.

Fortunately, I do not have to put with you on a daily basis.

That said, I wish you a good evening.


31 posted on 11/07/2012 10:13:41 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: xzins
Evangelicals are just one part of the conservative coalition. We have insisted on just two major concerns: pro-life and natural marriage. The Catholic voting bloc has those same two concerns.

There is no need to become pro-abortion or pro-same-sex marriage, but at the same time a realization has to be made that putting these issues at the heart of a campaign or even allowing the media to do so is simply not working and it is turning people off to the rest of the message.

That's not to say you give up on it. It is to say you stop making it the central issue of things and you don't let the media make it a central issue. While that is being done, don't let Democrats make it a central issue.

Without those two social issues which liberals frame as "rights" and "fairness" issues -- language which really can't be overcome and is used like a club to bludgeon the GOP with -- you lose.

How you do that is a question to be debated. That something along those lines needs to be done is evident.

There are many ways to skin a cat as the old saying goes. We need to find a few new ones so new voters can be attracted to the ticket.

32 posted on 11/07/2012 10:17:54 PM PST by superloser
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To: txnativegop
I personally think we should send them packing; Evangelical zealots are killing the GOP and doing so quite well.

Don't bother. We've already left.

The GOP and their establishment liberals are all yours to keep pal.

Enjoy. You deserve it. You definitely do not need Conservative Christians in your party. In fact, you can increase your impact by simply joining the Democrat Secular Leftists and protest us intolerant zealots together at every chance you get.

Perhaps working together with the Left, you guys can outlaw evangelical zealotry altogether.

33 posted on 11/07/2012 10:49:07 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: nfnet

Hear Hear! Lets ignore facts! Let us help the Country slide further down into the abyss of depravity! Lets Abort 100 Million babies now! 54 million is far too few! We can let folks marry their dogs and cats and sisters and aardvarks! Let us make Sodom and Gomorra look like a mid fifties Catholic Girls School!

That will teach them damn Evangelicals!


34 posted on 11/07/2012 11:39:04 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: txnativegop

Wild sex, that will feed your family. Hey a pretty young girl or a strapping lad can make good money if they are willing to overlook morals.

Sheesh no wonder we are screwed, the Republicans are no better than the democrats now...


35 posted on 11/07/2012 11:45:26 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: txnativegop; SoConPubbie
When, FRiend, did this become a Christian site?

FR's mission statement:

As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government, pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, pro-freedom, and-pro America.

Attacking the faithful is NOT Conservative. You're on the wrong site, Tex.

36 posted on 11/08/2012 3:17:30 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: txnativegop; SoConPubbie
The Social Agenda as you call it doesn’t feed my family. But i guess that is the difference between the two of us. You apparently can exist on morals; my children are not so fortunate.

Hey, in an economic downturn, with little or no morals to guide you or your children, I'm sure your family will do quite well! Get in contact with Larry Flynt - he'll have some great ideas.

37 posted on 11/08/2012 4:20:31 AM PST by COBOL2Java (The GOP-e said "Beat a Marxist with a Liberal!" What a colossal blunder.)
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To: txnativegop
This is a Protestant, that is, Evangelical nation, set up by the King of Spain himself in his Treaty of London 1604.

IT IS NOT a nation of brokers, bankers and montebanks.

So, bud, move over and leave the natives alone. The plant is quite large and there may be room for you somewhere.

38 posted on 11/08/2012 4:50:22 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: xzins

BTW, 10,000,000 former Obama voters didn’t show up to vote. Do you imagine they might well be black guys? We don’t know yet and the news media are being mighty quiet about it ~ so whadda’ ya think?


39 posted on 11/08/2012 4:54:12 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: xzins

Despite concerns by some that Romney’s Mormon faith would hurt his chances with evangelicals
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More dishonesty and subterfuge in reporting

I believe the average reader is suppose to see something like...

“Despite concerns by some that Romney’s Methodist faith would hurt his chances with Episcopalians”

and not the truth...

Despite concerns by some that Romney’s Mormon faith would hurt his chances with CHRISTIANS

That phony term “evangalicals” has been beat to death this election cycle...


40 posted on 11/08/2012 5:04:04 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: muawiyah

Some of the 10 million have to be black guys. They comprise a big bloc of his coalition, so they will be represented in the 10 million. I’m thinking his major absentees will be seniors, who ended up voting for neither.


41 posted on 11/08/2012 5:20:27 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

Or, many were dead. African American adult lifespans are shorter than other groups. I suspect the old civil rights battle generation is disappearing faster than the Democrats imagined would happen.


42 posted on 11/08/2012 5:31:34 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: entropy12

I am and know a lot of seniors and they are all vocal against obama. My contacts are in Ms,Tx,Ky,Tn,Ga,Fl,Pa, and Ok.


43 posted on 11/08/2012 7:58:06 AM PST by duffee (Romney 2012, NEWT 2016)
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To: JediJones

Benghazi? Holy crap. Last minute stuff. If the GOP had increased it’s Congressional acceptance for the past 4 years, voters would have had more confidence in Romney the mystery man.


44 posted on 11/08/2012 8:32:00 AM PST by ex-snook (without forgiveness there is no Christianity)
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To: duffee

Your friends live in red states...I am drowning here in WA state surrounded by liberals.


45 posted on 11/08/2012 9:12:34 AM PST by entropy12 (Ready for 3 SCOTUS appointments like Kagan, Sotomayor & Ginsburg? Free abortion on demand is here)
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To: xzins; nfnet; P-Marlowe
Despite concerns by some that Romney's Mormon faith would hurt his chances with evangelicals, Romney did better than McCain in 2008. McCain had 74 percent and Romney had 78 percent of the white evangelical vote.

Thank you Xzins!

We show up and vote even when our deepest concerns are not given the attention they deserve.

This election has made it very clear that the traditional values that made this country EXCEPTIONAL are now PASSE. Pubs can try and become Rat lite and feed from the crumbs of the Rats table, or embrace a full throated conservatism. I believe we will be a minority party for at least 20 years, but if we do the latter we will at least have our self respect.

It is not the values of Christians that has brought this disaster on the USA but the lack of Christian values that brought us this godless govt centered society.

46 posted on 11/08/2012 10:15:41 AM PST by wmfights
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To: txnativegop

You did send them packing and what happened-—you LOST.

You sent tea party conservatives packing and what happened-—you LOST.

For a big tent we want every one party you pretty much have the party to yourself, although I don’t know what you have accomplished but to become a cheap skate version of the democrat party, but hey, it’s your party. Try and win without us. Oops, you did and lost-—again.


47 posted on 11/08/2012 11:08:40 AM PST by sarge83
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To: muawiyah

You obviously have not read the treaty. But we will have to agree to disagree.


48 posted on 11/08/2012 11:33:21 AM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: muawiyah
You have obviously not read the treaty regarding when and where Catholics may or may not have offense ~ didn't you ever wonder why Spain gave up the East Coast of what is now the US?

It was a desolate wasteland then due to several decades of extreme drought.

The area simply wasn't assigned to Britain but it was allowed to come under mostly/kinda British rule ~ but the Dutch were specifically prohibited from entering into the region as a whole.

49 posted on 11/08/2012 11:49:18 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: entropy12

I really understand that, I have never really had to experience that, the precient I live in now is heavily republican but only slightly more than my county. I can’t even think of anyone I know who even considered voting for obama and that covers most of the South. You would always be welcome in Mississippi.


50 posted on 11/08/2012 12:52:49 PM PST by duffee (Romney 2012, NEWT 2016)
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