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To: xzins; Arthurio; P-Marlowe
Election fraud?

Rush Limbaugh rejected that explanation today. He basically said it was impossible to prove and there were other reasons that better explained the loss.

Good for him. But he's still wrong.

Let's face it - there is a MASSIVE disconnect between what every single piece of data was saying would happen, and what actually happened.

Either I can accept that math has just suddenly stopped working like it should, or else I can accept that there was massive amounts of fraud going on.

Sorry, xzins, but there is no way that this was truly a D+11 election, and the GOP still keep up its numbers and control of the House. There's not way this was a D+11 and Obama lose ten million votes from his 2008 level. There's no way this was a D+11 vote, and Obama lose EVs and percentage of the popular vote. Even IF Republicans did sit this one out, these numbers still don't jibe.

Another thing to consider - at the same time that Romney and Senate candidates in certain swing states were losing their races, House Republicans were holding their own, and the GOP even picked up seats in many state legislatures.

A disconnect?

Not really. It's simply easier to defraud a statewide race than it is to defraud a more local election like a house district or some district in a state legislature.

What happens in one or two big cities can affect a statewide race, but won't affect what happens in some smaller district across the state, in some suburban or rural area. Packing thousands of marked ballots into the machines in Philly - or simply rigging your machines to delete GOP votes in Detroit - won't affect what happens in Centre County, PA or in the UP, electionwise, but WILL affect who wins the state's EVs in the Presidential race, or who wins the Senate seat.

Rush is right about one thing - you'll never be able to prove it, since there's no way the Obama administration would ever investigate its own party for fraudulent behaviour.

But still, I can believe that math still works or that it no longer works. Guess which I'm going with.

25 posted on 11/08/2012 9:21:39 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy (It's time to make Obama a minor footnote in the pages of history)
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To: Yashcheritsiy; P-Marlowe
Hi Yash, there are some things I proceed cautiously with, so that's what I'll do here.

Sorry, xzins, but there is no way that this was truly a D+11 election, and the GOP still keep up its numbers and control of the House.

First, I heard some commentators claiming it was a D+6 election not a D+11. I think Obama won by about 3 million votes. National election was about 60.2 million for Obama and 57.5 million for Romney. That makes it less than D+1 in reality. For every 57.5 republicans, you have 60.2 Democrats. For every 100 republicans you have 105 democrats. For every million Romney supporters you have 1,050,000 Obama supporters. If you multiply 57.5 times 1,050,000, you'll see it works out to 60.2 million.

Do the math: 57.5 is to 60.2 as 1 million is to X.

So, there's more than enough room there for Republicans to retain the House.

29 posted on 11/08/2012 5:39:10 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Massive disconnect? Not really. EVERY poll aggregator including Nate Silver, Real Clear Polititcs, Electoral-Vote, TPM polltracker, and just the state level polls themselves showed a clear Obama victory. MEANWHILE, Dean Chambers of unskewed polls...a guy with zero expertise in polling or statistics...had Romney. Karl Rove, the head of Romney’s biggest superpac, had Romney...but only because he gave states to R that his own map showed slightly favored Obama.

The most favorable Romney pollster, Ras, had it a tossup.

Face it...the “Math” was on their side. Dick Morris and George Will were on ours. We should have seen it coming. A viote fraud claim doesnt make too much sense when the outcome aligned perfectly with what was predicted by dozens of pollsters, poll aggregators, and the exit polls themselves.


32 posted on 11/09/2012 4:07:22 AM PST by SpekeParrot
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