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UC Berkeley graduate student Zachary Baer works with a fermentation chamber to separate acetone and butanol (top clear layer) from the Clostridium brew at the bottom. The chemicals can be extracted and catalytically altered to make a fuel that burns like diesel. Credit: Robert Sanders

Rest In Peace, old friend, your work is finished.....

1 posted on 11/07/2012 12:40:47 PM PST by Red Badger
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2 posted on 11/07/2012 12:42:04 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Red Badger

As usual, the breakthrough will be access to cheap feed stocks, not process. Even the process such as cellulose to sugar, is not ready.

The algae to fuel process failed when they determined that the algae feedstock needs fertilizer (natural gas) and phosphate which is mined. These inputs exceeded value of output.

Keep frackin while you still can.


3 posted on 11/07/2012 12:49:35 PM PST by cicero2k
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While the fuel's cost is still higher than diesel or gasoline made from fossil fuels, the scientists said the process would drastically reduce greenhouse gas emissions from transportation, one of the major contributors to global climate change.

Who cares about climate change? What about topsoil and water?

I'll bet these diots call themselves "environmentally conscious."

4 posted on 11/07/2012 12:54:15 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: Red Badger

Mayor Bloomberg says this conversion of sugar to energy is permissible, so long as it pumped into the vehicle in under-16 ounce servings.


6 posted on 11/07/2012 12:57:47 PM PST by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: Red Badger

You thought it was bad when they used corn for diesel. Just wait until they go after our Crispy Cremes.


8 posted on 11/07/2012 1:02:06 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: Red Badger
the process would drastically reduce greenhouse gas emissions

Not to worry. If this works as advertised the greenies will kill it. Their goal isn't clean and abundant energy, it is death to capitalism. Period.

9 posted on 11/07/2012 1:05:45 PM PST by newheart (The greatest trick the left ever pulled was convincing the world it was not a religion.)
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To: Red Badger

Weird. I was just reading about butyl alcohol today.

I’m not a chemist and the article is short on specifics. Am I reading it right that the glyceryl tributyrate (tributyrin) is simply mixed with the fermentation results and then separates out the butanol and acetone from the mixture, leaving the ethanol behind with the bacteria and water?

It sounds like the catalyst part comes aftewards when they try to turn the butanol/acetone into diesel equivalent.

Wouldn’t the butanol by itself be useful as a gasoline replacement?

My (limited) understanding of the ABE process was that it was impractical because the butanol poised the bacteria befor they could generate high amounts of butanol, and then the resulting slurry was mostly water that had to be distilled out (with large energy inputs). It sounds like this tributyrin stuff could make ABE more useful for butanol production.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 1:08:52 PM PST by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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diesel or gasoline made from fossil fuels, the scientists said the process would drastically reduce greenhouse gas emissions

Just how do sugar derived hydrocarbons burn cleaner than petroleum derived hydrocarbons? Magic carbon?

12 posted on 11/07/2012 1:22:07 PM PST by GingisK
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How much does sugar cost a pound and how much does diesel cost a pound add to the sugar the cost per pound to turn it into diesel.

Bzzzzzzzzt. You may have passed Chemistry, but you got an F in math.

But if you got a A in Poly-Sci and have an inlaw that is Nancy Pelosi, why son, your a Billionaire!


13 posted on 11/07/2012 1:24:25 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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This nonsense of converting food to fuel has to stop.


14 posted on 11/07/2012 1:24:46 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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And the biomass comes from farming the rain forests, but it's OK because we are doing it in the name of the environment.
16 posted on 11/07/2012 1:25:23 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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Hummmm..Verry Intresting ...Thanks for the posting


18 posted on 11/07/2012 1:33:59 PM PST by mosesdapoet ("Vengence is mine".....Thus sayeth the Lord.)
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To: Red Badger

Another foolish green fuel project to turn food into fuel. We already have a process of coal gasification that will turn coal into diesel.


19 posted on 11/07/2012 1:46:04 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Why is the government more concerned about protecting a microbe on Mars than an unborn baby here?)
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“What I am really excited about is that this is a fundamentally different way of taking feedstocks...”

Right about ‘feedstocks’ is when he should have realized this is a bad idea.


21 posted on 11/07/2012 2:14:15 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Red Badger

Convert sewage to fuel. Well understood process and plenty of feedstock that is a problem to dispose of.


22 posted on 11/07/2012 2:20:59 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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Bump to read later.


25 posted on 11/07/2012 2:40:50 PM PST by techcor (I hope Obama succeeds, in being a one term president.)
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To: Red Badger

Sugar fuelled Diesel/electric traction.
[sarc] Can’t think of a better use for Sugar.[/sarc]
Thanks for that post, very interesting.


27 posted on 11/07/2012 10:40:33 PM PST by moose07 (The truth will out, one day.)
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To: Red Badger

Thry should get some of the free money from DOE for green energy and go at it.


29 posted on 11/09/2012 12:32:51 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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