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Colorado, Washington first states to legalize recreational pot
Chicago Tribune ^ | 11/07/2012 | Keith Coffman and Nicole Neroulias

Posted on 11/07/2012 9:01:24 AM PST by SeekAndFind

DENVER/SEATTLE (Reuters) - Colorado and Washington became the first U.S. states to legalize the possession and sale of marijuana for recreational use on Tuesday in defiance of federal law, setting the stage for a possible showdown with the Obama administration.

But another ballot measure to remove criminal penalties for personal possession and cultivation of recreational cannabis was defeated in Oregon, where significantly less money and campaign organization was devoted to the cause.

Supporters of a Colorado constitutional amendment legalizing marijuana were the first to declare victory, and opponents conceded defeat, after returns showed the measure garnering nearly 53 percent of the vote versus 47 percent against.

"Colorado will no longer have laws that steer people toward using alcohol, and adults will be free to use marijuana instead if that is what they prefer. And we will be better off as a society because of it," said Mason Tvert, co-director of the Colorado pro-legalization campaign.

The Drug Policy Alliance, a national advocacy group that backed the initiatives, said the outcome in Washington and Colorado reflected growing national support for liberalized pot laws, citing a Gallup poll last year that found 50 percent of Americans favored making it legal, versus 46 opposed.

Supporters of Washington state's pot legalization initiative declared victory after the Seattle Times and other media projected a win for marijuana proponents.

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Colorado; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: cannabis; colorado; drugs; drugwar; marijuana; pot; warondrugs; washington; wod; wodlist; wosd
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1 posted on 11/07/2012 9:01:26 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Stupid is as stupid does...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Elr5K2Vuo


2 posted on 11/07/2012 9:06:12 AM PST by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: SeekAndFind

Doesn’t this really illustrate the electorate which has emerged?

All the lies about caring about kids and education, while you legalize drugs to destroy our kids.


3 posted on 11/07/2012 9:07:27 AM PST by Williams (No Obama)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why the showdown with Obama? He is a “doobie brother” himself and worse. The showdown will be with the ATF and Justice department to justify their existence and gestapo tactics. Why the need for a billion rounds of hollow points and 100000 RPG’s, if drugs are legal? I am not for legalizing drugs, but to portray Obama as anti-drug is laughable.

No more busting down doors and shooting granny and her dog.


4 posted on 11/07/2012 9:14:02 AM PST by okkev68
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To: Williams

yessir I really see ZeeRow ChoomBama flexing Holders muscle to fight these States. /s


5 posted on 11/07/2012 9:17:40 AM PST by Gasshog
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To: SeekAndFind

Showdown? This is what Obama wants! A nice drugged out permanently unemployed population is exactly what the socialist doctor ordered.


6 posted on 11/07/2012 9:18:22 AM PST by ari-freedom
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I don’t have any problem with legalizing this stuff. Living in socialist Europe I will give a word of warning to what will happen next though: drug legalization will probably result in more drug addicts emerging. What Repubs in America needs to do is stop any lifestyle subsidies towards these drug addicts. These subsidies will be proposed soon enough by social justice advocates.

If anyone wants to take illegal substances and mess up their own lives then thats fine by me. Just dont expect me to pay for others bad lifestyle choices.


7 posted on 11/07/2012 9:19:58 AM PST by Scottishlibertarian
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To: SeekAndFind

In my life, I’ve seen far more damage done by people who drink alcohol on a regular basis than those that smoke weed on a regular basis. I’ve yet to come across convincing arguments for the continuing ban on marijuana.


8 posted on 11/07/2012 9:21:13 AM PST by arbitrary.squid
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To: Williams

Most kids are not alcoholics, why would legalizing marijuana make them potheads?


9 posted on 11/07/2012 9:27:22 AM PST by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: arbitrary.squid

Not a libertarian, but must agree...


10 posted on 11/07/2012 9:43:38 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: ari-freedom
A nice drugged out permanently unemployed population

Relegalizing the mind-altering drug alcohol didn't lead to such a population - why would relegalizing marijuana do so?

11 posted on 11/07/2012 9:44:04 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

“Relegalizing the mind-altering drug alcohol didn’t lead to such a population - why would relegalizing marijuana do so?”

Because they are different drugs, and have different long-term effects on the human body?

Cheech and Chong was a caricature, but it was based on real people. I grew up in 1970’s California, and watched my mother and her friends smoke themselves into fecklessness.


12 posted on 11/07/2012 9:49:46 AM PST by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

I think a lot of people watch too much tv and movies


13 posted on 11/07/2012 9:50:36 AM PST by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: SeekAndFind

There go another couple million in population from California..


14 posted on 11/07/2012 9:50:49 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: arbitrary.squid
that's because smoking weed and its affects are not as LOUD as those of alcohol, but just as dangerous, maybe more so...

you can have Dr high on weed come into the surgery and not suspect anything but have him take one drink, he's ushered out the door...

no one coming into the ER gets tested after an accident for weed...but even a slight smell will get you tested for alcohol usually...

15 posted on 11/07/2012 9:54:23 AM PST by cherry
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To: NormsRevenge

“There go another couple million in population from California..”

Precious few of whom will be productive citizens.


16 posted on 11/07/2012 9:55:00 AM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (CHRISTOPHER WALKEN 2012: A cowbell in every pot!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hmmm, maybe the libs will be too stoned to vote in the next election.


17 posted on 11/07/2012 9:58:51 AM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: cherry
but even a slight smell will get you tested for alcohol usually

So that brings me to a question. Is there a test that can be easily administered to find out if someone is "under the influence" of pot? If someone is doing his in their own home that's one thing, but if they are driving a vehicle or operating equipment (or operating on me for that matter) I would want to know if they are under the influence. My position is to toughen the laws and penalties for being under the influence. Especially now that pot is beginning to be legalized in certain states.

Is there a test like the breathalyzer that can detect pot usage?
18 posted on 11/07/2012 10:01:33 AM PST by copaliscrossing (Progressives are Socialists)
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To: Scottishlibertarian

“What Repubs in America needs to do is stop any lifestyle subsidies towards these drug addicts.”

I have long argued against legalizing drugs on that very basis. If welfare were gone, I’d say fine. What happens next is two fold. First, more people who want to tune out and fire up. Two, more welfare for the “underclass” who are victims of the newly legal and even more abundant drugs that have “ruined” their lives.


19 posted on 11/07/2012 10:11:28 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: arbitrary.squid

What about thew 2nd hand smoke???/ are they goin to charge $5 Tax on a joint?????


20 posted on 11/07/2012 10:44:32 AM PST by angelcindy ("If you follow the crowd ,you get no further than the crowd!")
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To: arbitrary.squid

What about thew 2nd hand smoke???/ are they goin to charge $5 Tax on a joint?????


21 posted on 11/07/2012 10:44:45 AM PST by angelcindy ("If you follow the crowd ,you get no further than the crowd!")
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To: SeekAndFind

I bet the drug cartels love this


22 posted on 11/07/2012 10:45:39 AM PST by angelcindy ("If you follow the crowd ,you get no further than the crowd!")
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To: Williams

“while you legalize drugs to destroy our kids.”

Your kids have access to pot any time they want it right now. You are fooling yourself if you think that just because something is illegal that it is not available. Prohibition proved outlawing booze didn’t make booze unavailable, yet, we still do it today. Besides, what type of lousy parent are you if your child turns to pot in the first place?


23 posted on 11/07/2012 10:51:37 AM PST by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: SeekAndFind
Portugal decriminalized possession of all drugs in 2001. The outcome, after nearly a decade, according to a study published in the November issue of the British Journal of Criminology: less teen drug use, fewer HIV infections, fewer AIDS cases and more drugs seized by law enforcement. Adult drug use rates did slightly increase — but this increase was not greater than that seen in nearby countries that did not change their drug policies. The use of drugs by injection declined.

People. I voted for our initiative on marijuana because I took the time to learn the facts.

24 posted on 11/07/2012 11:03:44 AM PST by MarMema (eh.)
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To: areukiddingme1

If the Dems want to kill themselves with drugs i wont get in their way. Better than than living on to kill us with taxes or forcing us to kill them with bullet.

Their biggest problem is again Washington D.C. and there too We can capitalize. Economic freedom(capitalism) in this country may be on the way out but the principles of capitalism will never die in practice.


25 posted on 11/07/2012 11:08:21 AM PST by Monorprise
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To: SeekAndFind; sickoflibs; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Impy; GOPsterinMA; randita; Sun; ...

Considering how the election turned out, this makes me want to move to Colorado. I could use a good buzz right now.


26 posted on 11/07/2012 11:20:56 AM PST by Clintonfatigued (Muslims are a people of tolerance, life,and peace, and if you don't agree, they'll murder you)
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To: SeekAndFind
Rocky Mountain High takes on a whole new meaning ...
27 posted on 11/07/2012 11:58:05 AM PST by Category Four (Joy, Fun, the Joke Proper, and Flippancy ... Flippancy is the best of all.)
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To: RinaseaofDs
A nice drugged out permanently unemployed population

Relegalizing the mind-altering drug alcohol didn’t lead to such a population - why would relegalizing marijuana do so?

Because they are different drugs, and have different long-term effects on the human body?

Cheech and Chong was a caricature, but it was based on real people. I grew up in 1970’s California, and watched my mother and her friends smoke themselves into fecklessness.

I'm sorry to hear it. I watched my uncle drink himself into what it would be charitable to describe as fecklessness. Among Americans who used marijuana in the past year, 42% had NOT used in the past month, as compared to a corresponding figure for alcohol use of 22% - so marijuana is if anything less likely than alcohol to lead to a "drugged out permanently unemployed population."

28 posted on 11/07/2012 12:02:47 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: angelcindy
I bet the drug cartels love this

You think they love being exposed to legal-under-state-law competition?

29 posted on 11/07/2012 12:05:17 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: stuartcr
A nice drugged out permanently unemployed population

Relegalizing the mind-altering drug alcohol didn't lead to such a population - why would relegalizing marijuana do so?

I think a lot of people watch too much tv and movies

We should ban those.

31 posted on 11/07/2012 12:11:31 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

“Among Americans who used marijuana in the past year . . .”

Legally used? Illegally used? Medicinally used?

The poll doesn’t mean anything. Right now, marijuana is illegal. When it is made legal, its use will spread.

There will even be pressure put on companies that refuse to hire on the basis of use after it is made legal:

“Mr. Moneybags, you used a mandatory drug test to determine whether my client uses marijuana, and when he tested positive for that legal substance, you rejected him as a candidate even though you believed he was qualified for the job, is that correct?”

“Mr. Moneybags: I can’t have users manning my equipment on the floor. He tested positive for cannabis, and then the retest confirmed it, so we didn’t hire him.”

“Do you test for alcohol use as well?”

“We don’t . . . (etc).”

As long as it is illegal, you can discriminate against users. Once it is legal, you have to hire the stoner until you can screen for it legally and not interview once you spot it.


32 posted on 11/07/2012 12:20:15 PM PST by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: SeekAndFind
Good luck keeping it.

At least we can stay legally stoned to ease the pain of watching the economy tank.

33 posted on 11/07/2012 12:28:29 PM PST by GSWarrior
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To: cherry

What does this have to do with it being legal?


34 posted on 11/07/2012 12:31:11 PM PST by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: RinaseaofDs
Among Americans who used marijuana in the past year . . .

Legally used? Illegally used? Medicinally used?

Yes.

The poll doesn’t mean anything.

How does that follow?

Right now, marijuana is illegal. When it is made legal, its use will spread.

Probably, just as the use of alcohol likely spread when Prohibition ended - but the latter spread didn't lead to "A nice drugged out permanently unemployed population" and there's no reason to think the former would be different.

There will even be pressure put on companies that refuse to hire on the basis of use after it is made legal:

Even supposing this is true - and you've provided no judicial precedents to support your claim - the solution is to amend the legalization bill to exclude this possibility, rather than to quash legalization.

35 posted on 11/07/2012 12:32:14 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: copaliscrossing

What do they do now?


36 posted on 11/07/2012 12:32:54 PM PST by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: Scottishlibertarian

Do alcoholics get subsidies now?


37 posted on 11/07/2012 12:34:32 PM PST by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

“Probably, just as the use of alcohol likely spread when Prohibition ended - but the latter spread didn’t lead to “A nice drugged out permanently unemployed population” and there’s no reason to think the former would be different.”

Now, why would I think the possibility of a drugged-out, permanently unemployed population is impossible:

1. 99 weeks of unemployment
2. SNAP cards
3. Obamaphone
4. Obamacare
5. Section 8 housing
6. Record disability filings
7. (Not here yet, but on its way) - Student loan forgiveness

Nope, the possibility of a drugged-out, permanently unemployed population just couldn’t happen. I know Vodka is killing Russia right now, and talk about a drugged-out, permanently unemployed population, but the legalization of pot is part of the deal.


38 posted on 11/07/2012 12:44:46 PM PST by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: dragonblustar
Hmmm, maybe the libs will be too stoned to vote in the next election.

Now that's looking on the bright side.

39 posted on 11/07/2012 1:04:50 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: arbitrary.squid
It would stand to reason...since alcohol has been legal for decades, and pot hasn't.

Legalize pot...and you will see over time the effects...and damage.

40 posted on 11/07/2012 1:11:04 PM PST by Osage Orange ( Liberalism, ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: RinaseaofDs
Now, why would I think the possibility of a drugged-out, permanently unemployed population is impossible:

1. 99 weeks of unemployment
2. SNAP cards
3. Obamaphone
4. Obamacare
5. Section 8 housing
6. Record disability filings
7. (Not here yet, but on its way) - Student loan forgiveness

Those are no less available to users of legal alcohol than they will be to users of legal marijuana - but legal alcohol has nonetheless not led to “a nice drugged out permanently unemployed population.”

Vodka is killing Russia right now

But not the USA, despite its legality.

41 posted on 11/07/2012 1:16:29 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Alaska wasn’t?


42 posted on 11/07/2012 1:27:28 PM PST by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: SeekAndFind
Good!

Maybe enough of those tick infested miscreants will leave California so it can go back to being the beautiful state it once was.

43 posted on 11/07/2012 1:47:11 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: stuartcr
What do they do now?

Therein lies the rub. There really is no reasonably quick test to determine this. From Wikipedia I found the following:

Unlike alcohol, for which impairment can be reasonably measured using a breathalyser (and confirmed with a blood alcohol content measurement), valid detection for cannabis is time-consuming, and tests cannot determine an approximate degree of impairment. The lack of suitable tests and agreed-upon intoxication levels is an issue in the legality of cannabis debate, especially regarding intoxicated driving

This is problematic if we cannot quickly determine if someone is "under the influence". Of course this rather salient point was swept under the rug by the pro-pot folks. I will concede that if a person is arrested, then more "invasive" tests could be done to determine the level of cannabis but sometime those tests are done hours after the alleged crime has been committed.
44 posted on 11/07/2012 3:07:23 PM PST by copaliscrossing (Progressives are Socialists)
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To: SeekAndFind
Legalizing pot fits in with what society and government allows. 75% of the “pothead” group I went to HS with love their disability checks, welfare, and food stamps. One guy has emphysema at 45 and another sells it to local kids. Everybody knows this, no cop does anything about it. There are many more kids that drink alcohol then smoke pot. Not saying that's a good thing, but part of it is because alcohol is legal for adults, so they think what the heck? When Pot is legal everywhere the “stoner” culture will explode. And we think our kids are uneducated now? Try teaching a class of potheads. Personally, I think Meth gives me that added “boost” I need each morning. What's wrong with that being legal, too?/S
45 posted on 11/07/2012 4:43:29 PM PST by MacMattico
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To: Scottishlibertarian

‘Living in socialist Europe________’

Welcome to FR!

Whenever I see anything ‘Scottish,’ I investigate, because of deceased Dad emigrating as a kid from Scotland.

You probably have been here for awhile before signing up today!


46 posted on 11/07/2012 4:49:26 PM PST by USARightSide (S U P P O R T I N G OUR T R O O P S)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Good luck arguing with people that believe they are conservative, while often being among the first to yell “there oughta be a law”. These 2 states lawyer’s will be richer than ever now.


47 posted on 11/07/2012 5:47:14 PM PST by wrencher
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To: Scottishlibertarian

What we will have is a nation of zombies, which will become the zombie apocalypse!


48 posted on 11/07/2012 7:25:57 PM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: arbitrary.squid

I’m old and have seen long term regular/daily drug use of all kinds. All damage the person. Some are faster than others, some work on the body first, some on the personality, some on the soul.

All provide a false reward and/or an escape from reality that ultimately leads to a very unhappy life for the user and anyone who cares for them. There is a high cost to the user and to the society.


49 posted on 11/07/2012 11:45:40 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yeah, man, far out!


50 posted on 11/08/2012 7:06:41 AM PST by Lexinom
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