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To: South40

I never understand why judges are able to get away with this under the 8th amendment. Don’t get me wrong, it can be very useful to let the punishment fit the crime. But there it is in black and white, and unusual punishment is unconstitutional. I highly doubt wearing an idiot sign is usual.


15 posted on 11/06/2012 10:08:58 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane
I never understand why judges are able to get away with this under the 8th amendment.

In my college days I used to type up old federal court cases for electronic scanning. One case I came across involved a man who, as part of a "creative" sentence was instructed by the judge to wear a sign that read "I am a thief" (or some such; I can't remember the exact offense). He successfully challenged the the sentence on the grounds that no government entity can force a person to admit guilt to a crime, even if he's been found guilty in a court of law. To allow such a thing would mean that an individual could be coerced into a confession, or denied the ability to appeal. I'm not surprised that there aren't more such challenges, though. Most people, given a choice between wearing such a sign or serving a jail sentence would swallow their scruples and choose the former.

19 posted on 11/06/2012 10:15:41 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Tublecane

She only got 30 days revocation of her driver’s license. The judge might have told her she was going to get 6 months revocation unless she agreed to wear that “i am an idiot” sign. I would definitely take such an offer even though you say it is not legal form of punishment.


20 posted on 11/06/2012 10:15:50 AM PST by dennisw (Government be yo mamma - Re-elect Barack Obama)
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To: Tublecane

it also violates the First amendment’s freedom of speech clause (freedom of speech includes the right not to be forced to speak)

but nevertheless it is a very fitting punishment


21 posted on 11/06/2012 10:16:35 AM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: Tublecane
I highly doubt wearing an idiot sign is usual.

It has to be cruel AND unusual. Embarrassing, yes, but not cruel.

22 posted on 11/06/2012 10:21:34 AM PST by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: Tublecane
Actually, it is "cruel AND unusual punishment." We just need to make some punishments "usual."
33 posted on 11/06/2012 10:28:56 AM PST by Repeat Offender (Why do cops have more lenient ROEs when facing us than troops in combat facing suicidal islamists?)
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To: Tublecane
I never understand why judges are able to get away with this under the 8th amendment. Don’t get me wrong, it can be very useful to let the punishment fit the crime. But there it is in black and white, and unusual punishment is unconstitutional. I highly doubt wearing an idiot sign is usual.

Amendment 8 - Cruel and Unusual Punishment:

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.


While I agree the punishment levied is "unusual" I think we can pass on the "cruel and" part if the punishment has to be both.
37 posted on 11/06/2012 10:39:38 AM PST by Peet (Everything has an end -- only the sausage has two.)
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To: Tublecane

In the few instances Ive read it seems the judge usually give an option. “A month in jail or a week in jail and 3 weeks wearing a sign around town that states youre a moron. Which is it?”


48 posted on 11/06/2012 11:19:15 AM PST by gnarledmaw (Obama: Evincing a Design since 2009)
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