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Mormon Volunteers Outperform Government in New England Sandy Aid
breitbart.com ^ | 5 Nov 2012 | Dr. Susan Berry

Posted on 11/05/2012 7:07:20 PM PST by Grig

Many who are still without heat, water, and power following Hurricane Sandy, are looking to the federal government to provide the kind of organized and effective disaster relief that can restore their lives. Can private groups and citizens offer what is needed in this time of crisis?...

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: sandy
I'm surprised there hasn't been some MSM paranoid hissy fit accusing Mormon Helping Hands of being the church trying to help Mitt.
1 posted on 11/05/2012 7:07:22 PM PST by Grig
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To: Grig

The Israelis are in New York and doing some fine relief work.They had to come thousands of miles,FEMA looks like a joke.


2 posted on 11/05/2012 7:11:41 PM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Grig

They were also one of the first groups to help in Haiti, Katrina and Irene.


3 posted on 11/05/2012 7:25:21 PM PST by panaxanax
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To: Grig

I live in Connecticut. When I heard there was a massive storm coming I filled the cars gastanks with gasoline, filled two spare gasoline cans, got the propane tank for the genertor topped off and picked up a few things at the grocery store.

It’s great having fine organizations to provide aid. It’s better seeing prudently to your own needs. Did fine in the storm. We were lucky


4 posted on 11/05/2012 7:26:59 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: panaxanax

It’s pretty ironic that in one of the most agnostic/atheist/unchurched areas of the country, I hear most of the people helping them are Mormons, Baptists, Jews, Catholics, Sikhs, etc. God works in mysterious ways.


5 posted on 11/05/2012 7:31:36 PM PST by CPC24
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To: Grig

There’s a good reason for that, the MSM is trying to isolate Romney from his religion, and the left is trying to convince Mormons to become their newest voting bloc, sort of like racial minorities. One of the things I noticed anyways, was the fact that the attacks involved:

1) Getting a fellow Mormon by the name of Harry Reid to attack Romney with the accusation that he paid no taxes.
2) Arguing that Romney wasn’t a “good Mormon” (The Seinfeld Actor)
3) Avoiding mention of his Mormonism by mentioning peripheral information such as him being a rich, white, man.

The pattern here is to convince Mormons that the left, or Democrat is the more moral, or better way for them to vote. However, and I am supposing this as someone who isn’t Mormon, I still believe that Romney will get the majority of the Mormon vote anyways, simply because for a lot of Mormons, their community-like structure will simply allow them to spread the word of how decent a guy Romney is regardless. Plus there’s people outside of the Mormon faith like the French Family that have pretty much advertised him to the Mormons despite being protestants. So, one way or another, you probably see where I am going with this, the left wants the Mormon vote, so they try really hard to get around mentioning the fact that Romney’s Mormon to at least try and get Mormons to vote Obama.


6 posted on 11/05/2012 7:35:15 PM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: Morpheus2009

A couple years ago some study showed that Mormons are the most conservative-voting religious community in the USA, so they pretty much already are a voting block for the GOP (in spite of attacks on our faith by evangelical conservatives). You do have large numbers of Mormons in liberal states like NY who vote liberal of course, but it is really hard to square Democratic policies with Mormon doctrine.


7 posted on 11/05/2012 7:43:18 PM PST by Grig
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To: Grig

That study must have skipped my neighbors. They are Mormon and are huge libs and love Obama. They don’t even practice food storing. What kind of Mormon doesn’t practice food storing?


8 posted on 11/05/2012 8:01:18 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Grig

That study must have skipped my neighbors. They are Mormon and are huge libs and love Obama. They don’t even practice food storing. What kind of Mormon doesn’t practice food storing?


9 posted on 11/05/2012 8:01:18 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Grig; Elsie; All
...it is really hard to square Democratic policies with Mormon doctrine.

Except things like...
...it doesn't have to be just one man and one woman in holy matrimony (D&C 132 is still on the Lds sacred books)...
...+ eternal polygamy is still on the Lds Bishopric Instructions Handbook...
...& Lds' general authorities allow for abortions for reasons of "health" of the mom -- as decided by "competent medical authorities" ... of course, to the woman electing to get an abortion, her "medical authority" is oft a OB-GYN who does occasional abortions...or may even be a full-time abortionist! [Note: Democratic policies also "love" the Mormon exceptions of rape, incest, and if the Mormon "god" gives the "thumbs-up" to dismemberment inside the womb]

10 posted on 11/05/2012 8:05:55 PM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: Morpheus2009

Obama didn’t go after Mitt’s Mormonism (it is a cult by any Christian definition), because it would have invited attacks on Obama’s Muslim faith; and given a choice, almost everyone would prefer a Mormon to a Muslim.

Romney has never tried to impose anything associated with Mormonism on anyone. The same cannot be said of Obama and his Muslim faith.


11 posted on 11/05/2012 8:10:10 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: SeaHawkFan; Grig; All
Romney has never tried to impose anything associated with Mormonism on anyone

Sure he has...The Lds church came out with two General Authority statement positions on abortion
-- one after Roe vs. Wade (1973)...
...and a slightly revised 1983 statement.

Marion G. Romney -- a cousin to Mitt's dad -- was part of the Lds 'First Presidency' that devised the 1973 statement ... along with Harold B. Lee, then Lds "prophet" -- and N. Eldon Tanner.

One of the "exceptions" for sanctioning abortions per the 1973 statement was: ...except...the life or good health of the mother is seriously endangered...

Note, tho that pregnancy isn't a disease and aside from ectopic pregnancies - which lead to both Mom & child dying - doctors aren't "prophets" who can predict the outcomes of pregnancies re: health effects upon “Mom”.

In 1983, the LDS updated statement on abortion changed a few things, but still said: ”The only exceptions are the rare cases where, in the opinion of competent medical counsel, the life or HEALTH of the woman is in jeopardy or the pregnancy resulted from incest or rape."

Romney adopted these same exceptions in his policies (CBS News, Aug. 27, 2012)...and is willing to impose them upon the pre-born...

"My position has been clear throughout this campaign," Romney said. "I'm in favor of abortion being legal in the case of rape and incest, and the HEALTH and life of the mother."
Source: Romney: My views on abortion rights are clear

#1, If "health" and "life" meant the same thing, it would have been redundant for Romney to mention both...he knows they are distinct, and hence mentioned both...Also, #2 abortions for reasons of incest only serves to cover up the crimes of the perpetrator...and these kind of policies only aid & abet such incest perpetrators...

12 posted on 11/05/2012 8:31:29 PM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: SeaHawkFan

“Obama didn’t go after Mitt’s Mormonism (it is a cult by any Christian definition), because it would have invited attacks on Obama’s Muslim faith; and given a choice, almost everyone would prefer a Mormon to a Muslim.”

That would primarily affect the rightwing. Leftists and Center wouldn’t care, because for a long time, and to a lot of people, the attacks on Obama were sketchy at best. I would say the left wants more support from the Mormons as a voting bloc, why use Harry Reid? To convince them that it’s not about Romney’s Mormonism, they’re utilizing, with of course Harry Reid’s cooperation, a variation on Guilt by Association” because a Mormon is accusing another Mormon, it can’t possibly be about Romney’s religion, or because a fellow Mormon is attacking Romney, it implies that one is more righteous than the other. Does that make any sense? My angle, and I admit I am just a spectator here, is more on the lines of trying to draw Mormon support away from Romney.


13 posted on 11/05/2012 8:32:40 PM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: Grig

“A couple years ago some study showed that Mormons are the most conservative-voting religious community in the USA, so they pretty much already are a voting block for the GOP (in spite of attacks on our faith by evangelical conservatives). “

Exactly, which is one way that the GOP risks snatching defeat from the jaws of victory - scare away someone who either supports you or potentially could support you with some wierdness. I don’t care for Romney’s religion, however, he’s reasonable enough from the person that he’s shown himself to be that he could leave me as a Catholic well enough alone, in fact, encourage a more moderate, more faith-promoting atmosphere by not taking sides.

“You do have large numbers of Mormons in liberal states like NY who vote liberal of course, but it is really hard to square Democratic policies with Mormon doctrine.”

Yeah, the Democrats have turned hard left. Plenty of people in my own family are still pretty solidly Democrat, but I split with them after a while politically (we’re still on good loving terms) when it came to priorities: I personally found myself, despite originally being a registered Democrat, agreeing more and more with the Republicans, or Right-leaning Democrats as time passed. Especially concerning the economy, and some of the wierdness on gender, abortion, and don’t even get me started on the awful budget we’re looking at. I personally want our next president to kick off with some vetoes, and I really mean that when I say it. If Romney’s willingness to go back and forth to find an acceptable bill in MA is any indicator of what he would do as president, count me in, I could use the sight of some vetoes to soften up the day.


14 posted on 11/05/2012 8:41:19 PM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: SeaHawkFan; Grig; Elsie; All
Romney has never tried to impose anything associated with Mormonism on anyone.

Aside from imposing Mormon church abortion exceptions upon the pre-born (previous post), Romney attempted to have Mormonism imposed upon his deceased father-in-law via a 1993 Salt Lake City religious baptism-for-the-dead ritual...
...see: Confirmed: Romney family had Ann Romney's atheist father posthumously baptized into the Mormon...

15 posted on 11/05/2012 8:53:26 PM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: Colofornian
Romney attempted to have Mormonism imposed upon his deceased father-in-law via a 1993 Salt Lake City religious baptism-for-the-dead ritual... ...see: Confirmed: Romney family had Ann Romney's atheist father posthumously baptized into the Mormon...

Pray tell how that was an imposition. The man was dead. His daughter, Ann, is obviously a person of great compassion and love. If the practice in the Mormon Church is foolish, it won't matter. If it is valid, then the deceased father-in-law will either rejoice or simply reject it. Deceased spirits retain their God given agency.

In any event, read Corinthians. The practice is rather biblical. Read 1 Corinthians 15:29 where Paul is persuading listeners about resurrection by referring to the practice of performing baptism ordinances by proxy for those who deceased without baptism.

Moreover, what a contrast in compassion and comfort to the all too typical denunciation and pastoral claim of hellfire for anyone who died without baptism. The clearest contrast is with those who claim little children who die without baptism will go straight to hell or purgatory. Such a practice would seem to mock the love and justice of God.
16 posted on 11/05/2012 9:32:13 PM PST by LukeSW (The truth shall make you free!)
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To: LukeSW
In any event, read Corinthians. The practice is rather biblical. Read 1 Corinthians 15:29 where Paul is persuading listeners about resurrection by referring to the practice of performing baptism ordinances by proxy for those who deceased without baptism.

As you scoot along reading 1 Cor. 15:29 that phrase jumps out: THEY do which are baptized for the dead...

Paul is writing to the Corinthian church...if there was either anybody there in Corinth as part of the church -- or part of Paul's traveling entourage -- who were being baptized for the dead, he would have used the pronoun "we" -- not "they"...who are "they"???

In 1 Cor. 15:30, it's quite clear (in NIV, for example), that Paul THEN transitions to us, starting off: "And as for US...

17 posted on 11/05/2012 9:48:50 PM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: LukeSW; Grig; All
Moreover, what a contrast in compassion and comfort to the all too typical denunciation and pastoral claim of hellfire for anyone who died without baptism. The clearest contrast is with those who claim little children who die without baptism will go straight to hell or purgatory. Such a practice would seem to mock the love and justice of God.

YOU should talk!

I open up my "handy-dandy" Book of Mormon, to the Book of Moroni, chapter 8, which discusses baptism of children...

As I scroll my eyes down to Moroni 8:14, what do I find here?

"Behold I say unto you, that he that supposeth that little children need baptism is in the gall of bitterness and in the bonds of iniquity, for he hath neither faith, hope, nor charity; wherefore, should be be cut off while in the thought, he MUST go down to hell."

Here you, Luke, talk about Mormon "compassion & comfort" in some supposed "contrast" to a few Christian sects who consign the baptized-less to hell...yet what do YOU & all Mormons (like Grig & Mitt) who embrace the Book of Mormon do to people who might be off-base on this teaching??? You & all Mormons accuse them -- via Moroni 8:14-- of...
...having the "gall of bitterness"...
...stuck in the "bonds of iniquity" [wicked sinners in bondage]...
...you judge them to have have ZERO faith...
...you judge them to have ZERO hope...
...you declare these complete strangers as being void of charity (love)...
...and then you & all Mormons send such folks to hell...

Why??? Because they're simply off-base on a doctrine of baptism toward children!!!

And you call the Mormon belief on children & baptism compassionate????

So, yes, or no, do you believe Moroni 8:14 to be THE word of God, as proclaimed to all Mormons???

(I will take a non-answer as "yes," you do)

18 posted on 11/05/2012 10:02:06 PM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: LukeSW
Deceased spirits retain their God given agency.

What? Do you reject the Bible...verses like...John 8:34... Romans 6:17-20...Eph. 2:1 which talks about being servants/slaves of sin?

Do you claim to have more authority than Jesus when He said: 34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. (John 8:34)

Jesus plainly said there that sin-committers were sin-servants! Mitt's father-in-law was an atheist in this life -- hardly "free" from any sin! What kind of implied "free" "agency" is there for slaves???????

Romans 6:17-20 twice talks about "servants of sin..."...What do you do Luke with that passage? Just ignore it all your life?

Or how about Eph. 2:1? 2 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

[See also Luke 9, where Jesus mentioned how the (spiritually) dead could bury the (physically) dead...Being spiritually dead is hardly "free agency..." 'tis bondage!!!]

19 posted on 11/05/2012 10:10:15 PM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: muir_redwoods

I did the same just before our massive ice storm and snow storms not long ago.
Natural gas for heat and cooking, propane backup, Coleman stove backup, Sterno cans for more back up. I lit kerosene lanterns I haven’t used for 25 years, had Coleman lanterns for back up and finally candles.

We did well with no electricity for several days and below “0” temps.


20 posted on 11/05/2012 10:19:02 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Colofornian

I knew a dedicated Mormon woman back in the 1960s who knew who to get in contact with to get an abortificant for her then pregnant daughter.

Just for the record, that was many years before I met them.


21 posted on 11/05/2012 10:24:28 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: LukeSW; Grig; All
Pray tell how that was an imposition. The man was dead. His daughter, Ann, is obviously a person of great compassion and love. If the practice in the Mormon Church is foolish, it won't matter.

What? You don't believe your own Book of Mormon, which clearly elucidates that there's NO 2nd chance post-death (as in NONE)???:

Alma 42:16 says that eternal punishment is as eternal as the life of the soul. [It's not temporary] Alma 34:32-35 says there's no second chance: For behold THIS LIFE is the time for men to prepare to meet God...do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end; for after this day of life...then cometh the night of darkness wherein THERE CAN BE NO LABOR PERFORMED. Ye CANNOT say, when ye are brought to that awful crisis, that I will repent, that I will return to my God. Nay, ye CANNOT say this; for that same spirit which doth possess your bodies at the time that ye go out of this life, that same spirit will have power to possess your body in that eternal world. (I cited parts of vv. 32-34)

What are you, Luke? Tattered by the wind? Scattered by every wind of doctrinal change made by a single man? (Joseph Smith)

So Smith was "right" on the "no second chance" doctrine when the Book of Mormon came out in 1829-1830...but then, when Smith had a change of thought 'bout baptizing the dead due to a death in his family...'twas suddenly a-OK by 1840???

So Alma had it right from 74 B.C. all the way for 1900 years...and then Joe decided he was all washed up...

What do you do, then, Luke...take scissors, then, to Alma 34???

And what do you do, Luke with 2 Nephi 9:38???

And, in fine, wo unto ALL [not SOME] who die in their sins; for they shall return to God, and behold his face, and REMAIN IN THEIR SINS.

That teaching was supposedly handed down on gold plates between 559 and 545 B.C...so that teaching then, you're telling us, stuck around for almost 2400 years...and then, poof, Smith rejects it and trumps it with something that's only been 'round less than 175 years???

Smith REPEATEDLY said in the D&C that the BoM was the "fulness of the Everlasting gospel"...yet it mentions NOTHING about baptisms of the dead...so that means Mormons don't need baptisms of the dead -- at least as far as the narrow Mormon 'gospel' goes...

And if it's not even part of the Mormon 'gospel,' then it's take it or leave it religious ritualism doesn't touch upon "salvation" in any real sense of the term.

22 posted on 11/05/2012 10:25:06 PM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: Grig
I'm surprised there hasn't been some MSM paranoid hissy fit accusing Mormon Helping Hands of being the church trying to help Mitt.

We were waiting for a TBM to start bragging first.

23 posted on 11/06/2012 3:36:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Grig
I'm surprised there hasn't been some MSM paranoid hissy fit accusing Mormon Helping Hands of being the church trying to help Mitt.

I thought it was the other way around: Mitt helps out the 'church'...

I could be wrong in this.

24 posted on 11/06/2012 3:37:23 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: panaxanax
They were also one of the first groups to help in Haiti, Katrina and Irene.

NOW we can start!!!

25 posted on 11/06/2012 3:38:33 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: panaxanax

They were also one of the first groups to help in Haiti, Katrina and Irene.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700009383/LDS-Church-sending-temporary-housing-kits-to-Haiti.html?pg=all


26 posted on 11/06/2012 3:39:41 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Morpheus2009
However, and I am supposing this as someone who isn’t Mormon, I still believe that Romney will get the majority of the Mormon vote anyways, simply because for a lot of Mormons, their community-like structure will simply allow them to spread the word of how decent a guy Romney is regardless.

You believe it; while a lot of us KNOW it!

27 posted on 11/06/2012 3:41:08 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Morpheus2009
However, and I am supposing this as someone who isn’t Mormon, I still believe that Romney will get the majority of the Mormon vote anyways, simply because for a lot of Mormons, their community-like structure will simply allow them to spread the word of how decent a guy Romney is regardless.

You correctly state Mitt's a decent guy.

I have to agree.

But he is STILL deceived by a false religion that the Bible warns about.

28 posted on 11/06/2012 3:42:37 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Grig
A couple years ago some study showed that Mormons are the most conservative-voting religious community in the USA, so they pretty much already are a voting block for the GOP (in spite of attacks on our faith by evangelical conservatives).

That IS terrible; isn't it!



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

29 posted on 11/06/2012 3:44:53 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SeaHawkFan
Obama didn’t go after Mitt’s Mormonism (it is a cult by any Christian definition), because it would have invited attacks on Obama’s Muslim faith; and given a choice, almost everyone would prefer a Mormon to a Muslim.

But WHY?

What has a MUSLIM ever done to them?

30 posted on 11/06/2012 3:46:24 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SeaHawkFan
Romney has never tried to impose anything associated with Mormonism on anyone. The people of France agree that he did a VERY poor job there.
31 posted on 11/06/2012 3:47:18 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
Have we forgotten, already, the two tours in 'Nam oops... France - Mitt did?
32 posted on 11/06/2012 3:48:45 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
I open up my "handy-dandy" Book of Mormon, to the Book of Moroni, chapter 8, which discusses baptism of children...

How DARE you use MORMON scripture to make your point!

Next thing ya know; one of your ilk will be posting all KINDS of things from our Holy Pages!

--MormonDude(Today's the DAY!!!!!)

33 posted on 11/06/2012 3:51:27 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Every now and then, my electric grid goes down; for varying lengths of time.

After one particular worrisome event; I finally bought a generator that could handle all the big appliances in the house.

I have no ‘transfer switch’ (the things are just TOO expensive for the function they do), I merely pull the main breaker, and plug the generator into the 220 welding outlet in the barn and backfeed the house.

When I find the neighbors have lights, I can shut’er down ‘til the next time!


34 posted on 11/06/2012 3:56:31 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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