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Superstorm Sandy highlights Achilles' heel of electric cars(E-Car no worky)
Fox News ^ | November 05, 2012 | John Brandon

Posted on 11/05/2012 6:20:53 PM PST by AmonAmarth

The debate about the value of electric cars just got another jolt.

In the aftermath of superstorm Sandy, unprepared electic vehicle owners in the Northeast were out of luck. With power grids and public charging stations down there was, and in some places still is no way to get energy into their cars.

According to automotive analyst Thilo Koslowski, the storm has revealed the one major vulnerability with electric cars: that a backup infrastructure is almost non-existent.

“If the outages continue, this will negatively impact consumer interest,” he told FoxNews.com. “We will need to address the issue of electricity shortages if we want to have a growing share of EVs.”

Technology analyst Rob Enderle agrees that the infrastructure problem with EVs is being called into question in the wake of the storm. Early funding for the EV infrastructure has focused on building charging stations at malls and offices, not on disaster-proofing them. If the grid goes dark, he says, there’s no back-up battery storage to keep your EV running.

ChargePoint, which runs one of the largest public charge station networks in the area affected by Sandy did not respond to requests from FoxNews.com to discuss it's contingency plans.

“EVs need infrastructure and low cost batteries to survive -- and they have neither,” he says. “We need some strong advancements in energy storage or generation to truly make electric competitive.”

The automakers themselves are looking for answers, as well.

“As more pure EVs hit the market, consumers will demand solutions to these types of dilemmas and the industry will have to respond,” says Jana Hartline, an environmental manager at Toyota.

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Electric cars are still years away from being practical.
1 posted on 11/05/2012 6:20:59 PM PST by AmonAmarth
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To: AmonAmarth

No sympathy here.


2 posted on 11/05/2012 6:22:08 PM PST by bgill (Evil doers are in every corner of our government. Have we passed the point of no return?)
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To: AmonAmarth

Big paper weights.


3 posted on 11/05/2012 6:22:38 PM PST by foundedonpurpose (It's time for a fundamental restoration, of our country's principles!)
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To: AmonAmarth

All Bambi needed to do was skylift some solar panels in there.
Problems solved right?


4 posted on 11/05/2012 6:23:17 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: AmonAmarth
the storm has revealed the one major vulnerability

Correction: "Yet ANOTHER vulnerability."

5 posted on 11/05/2012 6:23:28 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: AmonAmarth
Why can't they just drive them somewhere to charge them?
6 posted on 11/05/2012 6:23:39 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Encourage all of your Democrat friends to get out and vote on November 7th, the stakes are high.)
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To: AmonAmarth

I live in an area of flash floods where motorists are frequently trapped on top their car. Seeing that parking lot of Fiskers that exploded when submerged by Sandy has got to be an eye opener.


7 posted on 11/05/2012 6:24:32 PM PST by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: AmonAmarth

That’s why every Pious...er...Prius should come with a bicycle taped to the roof.


8 posted on 11/05/2012 6:25:46 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (With (R)epublicans like these, who needs (D)emocrats?)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

It aint easy pushing a giant heavy battery around looking for a charger...


9 posted on 11/05/2012 6:26:01 PM PST by AmonAmarth (If Tim Tebow has a thought, is it a Christian Ponder?)
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To: Red Badger

Ping.


10 posted on 11/05/2012 6:26:06 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: AmonAmarth
“We will need to address the issue of electricity shortages if we want to have a growing share of EVs.”

You betcha! One way to start is to have the EPA accelerate the closing of those coal-fired electric plants they're planning to shut down. /s

11 posted on 11/05/2012 6:26:11 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: AmonAmarth

“It aint easy pushing a giant heavy battery around looking for a charger...”

They should just drive....


12 posted on 11/05/2012 6:29:02 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Encourage all of your Democrat friends to get out and vote on November 7th, the stakes are high.)
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To: AmonAmarth
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13 posted on 11/05/2012 6:30:13 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Not if the battery is dead, or there is not enough juice to go far enough to the nearest charger.


14 posted on 11/05/2012 6:31:43 PM PST by AmonAmarth (If Tim Tebow has a thought, is it a Christian Ponder?)
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To: AmonAmarth

I think everyone should purchase what works for them. Also, I think that the government should not pick and choose the winners in business.

However, to add one small point on EV’s side... I think we are seeing that having no electricity is a problem for both types of vehicles. Gas pumps work on electricity also.

I’ll never get an EV, but no option is perfect.


15 posted on 11/05/2012 6:31:43 PM PST by dgcoronado
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To: dgcoronado

Gas pumps no longer have a manual back-up pump inside the case?


16 posted on 11/05/2012 6:34:16 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: AmonAmarth

Gasoline is tough to compete with.

If a R administration got it back in the $2/gallon range via increasing supply, it’s even more competitive.
If nat gas starts taking a decent slice of truck consumption, that’s another drag on oil prices.

I do forecast that a significant percent of golf carts will remain electric powered.


17 posted on 11/05/2012 6:36:14 PM PST by nascarnation (Defeat Baraq 2012. Deport Baraq 2013)
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To: AmonAmarth

Electric cars are NOT green!
They use electricity generated by a power plant nearby.
And 95% of power generation currently uses fossil fuels + Nuclear.

Wind power is also no good after a hurricane. They would be severely damaged by a direct hit. Another fact no one talks about.....more workers have died working on wind turbine towers than all the people killed in man made nuclear power accidents in the non-communist world.


18 posted on 11/05/2012 6:37:42 PM PST by entropy12 (The radical socialist from Chicago and Acorn lawyer must be defeated! VOTE him out!!)
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To: Army Air Corps

Those went away when they went away from the mechanical dial type volume and price indicators.


19 posted on 11/05/2012 6:38:01 PM PST by nascarnation (Defeat Baraq 2012. Deport Baraq 2013)
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To: Army Air Corps

I don’t think so... Isn’t that the reason there are so many issues in NY/NY? Unless I’m misreading, I thought it was lack of electricity more than lack of gas.


20 posted on 11/05/2012 6:38:18 PM PST by dgcoronado
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To: Army Air Corps

NOTE TO MINIMART operators. It would take a very small generator to run your register and gas pumps. Think about being the only guy that is selling gas. You would line up tankers nose to tale.


21 posted on 11/05/2012 6:38:30 PM PST by ping jockey (I stand convicted.)
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To: AmonAmarth
Heck, all you need is one of these.... and lots of time.


22 posted on 11/05/2012 6:39:08 PM PST by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: Army Air Corps

Nope. No power no fuel.


23 posted on 11/05/2012 6:40:34 PM PST by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse.)
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To: ping jockey

24 posted on 11/05/2012 6:40:44 PM PST by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: nascarnation

This disaster has caused me to consider a diesel engine for my next car. No lines at the diesel pump.


25 posted on 11/05/2012 6:41:21 PM PST by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

Prius don’t need electricity. They use the brake to charge the battery. You can also drive them under 20 miles per hour and not use any gasoline.

They are good cars to have when gasoline supplies are low.


26 posted on 11/05/2012 6:42:10 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: dgcoronado

Exactly.....Gas pumps need electricity as done EV’s. I just leased an EV because it was basically free to me if gas stayed around 3.50/gallon. I’m sure the EV’s enjoyed driving past the gas stations and their 4 hour lines, etc. Sure, they need to charge up, but I think I’d rather try and find a socket than a gallon of gas in NY right now....this is just trying to dump on the EV’s. I’m sure I’m the only conservative driving a Nissan Leaf in the country...But it is, what it is....


27 posted on 11/05/2012 6:42:35 PM PST by BallparkBoys (RESIST WE MUCH! ....We must, and we will much, about that, be committed!)
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To: ping jockey

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/05/gas-station-generators_n_2079611.html


28 posted on 11/05/2012 6:42:47 PM PST by nascarnation (Defeat Baraq 2012. Deport Baraq 2013)
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To: AmonAmarth
"Electric cars are still years away from being practical."

A steam car that burns trash, wood or coal sure would be. ;-)

29 posted on 11/05/2012 6:42:47 PM PST by Average Al
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To: Gabrial

All is not lost tho, hook up a hose and pump down to the main tank,fill your manual gas pump, and start selling gas again.


30 posted on 11/05/2012 6:44:37 PM PST by AmonAmarth (If Tim Tebow has a thought, is it a Christian Ponder?)
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To: Average Al

Indeed.


31 posted on 11/05/2012 6:46:11 PM PST by AmonAmarth (If Tim Tebow has a thought, is it a Christian Ponder?)
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To: Army Air Corps
Works every time!


32 posted on 11/05/2012 6:48:15 PM PST by jaz.357 ( *Luke 6:43-45* Twas Ever Thus!)
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To: BallparkBoys

No issues about EV in general... In fact, I’ve read that the Leaf is probably the best one you can get right now. If it works for you, go for it. Gasoline doesn’t make someone a conservative... coal, nuclear, electric companies, etc., are darn good American industries also.


33 posted on 11/05/2012 6:49:22 PM PST by dgcoronado
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To: AmonAmarth

I guess you can’t carry electricity in a five gallon can.


34 posted on 11/05/2012 6:49:56 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture tm)
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To: BallparkBoys

Do you have a Romney bumper sticker on that thing? That would raise some eyebrows..lol


35 posted on 11/05/2012 6:50:18 PM PST by AmonAmarth (If Tim Tebow has a thought, is it a Christian Ponder?)
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To: luckystarmom

Partly right, but You might want to do a little more research on that.


36 posted on 11/05/2012 6:50:56 PM PST by MarkeyD (Obama is a victim of Affirmative Action)
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To: AmonAmarth

Shucks. And I was hoping that they were going to come out with a pink Energizer Bunny Special Edition. LOL!


37 posted on 11/05/2012 6:52:15 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Stop the freeloader REVENGE against America! Vote on November 6th!)
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To: steve86

Not enough of it anyway....


38 posted on 11/05/2012 6:52:15 PM PST by AmonAmarth (If Tim Tebow has a thought, is it a Christian Ponder?)
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To: AmonAmarth

They could jump start the car.


39 posted on 11/05/2012 6:53:38 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Encourage all of your Democrat friends to get out and vote on November 7th, the stakes are high.)
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To: dgcoronado
I live in Florida, and know a few people who live in what we call "golf cart community's". I know of a resident who had a solar roof installed on his cart for around $600. He drives it all around the park, to the pool, community center, and the shopping center next to the community. He has yet to charge his golf cart conventionally (plug in) for 8 months.. It is working for him. I should also include that this is a large development, and at his age, walking to these various destinations would not be good! This gets him out and is good for his well being. Solar is great, for some uses, and depends where you are located. I would like to see the technology advance, with private investment!
40 posted on 11/05/2012 6:55:01 PM PST by goodtomato (I'm really, really blessed!)
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To: AmonAmarth
In MA, when storms dropped pine trees and big limbs on power lines and across many folks' drives, the most frustrated folks were those with trees down on their house or across their drive -- and who owned electric chain saws!! '-)
41 posted on 11/05/2012 6:55:57 PM PST by TXnMA
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To: nascarnation

Thanks for the information. I recall seeing them when I was a kid (1970s and 1980s).


42 posted on 11/05/2012 6:58:40 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: AmonAmarth

The Doltswagen

43 posted on 11/05/2012 6:58:59 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Cicero; AmonAmarth

The electric car was invented a very long time ago. The vulnerability was well known for more than a century, and that was before electricity was universally available.


44 posted on 11/05/2012 7:00:54 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: AmonAmarth
( * ChargePoint, which runs one of the largest public charge station networks in the area affected by Sandy did not respond to requests from FoxNews.com to discuss it's contingency plans. * )

What's that I hear you say Al Gore ? it's a what ? " Inconvenient truth "

Of course these Greenies had nothing to say and would not respond to requests from FOX NEWS.
45 posted on 11/05/2012 7:06:16 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: AmonAmarth

Over a dozen Fisker Karmas and three Toyota Prii caught fire in a New Jersey Port after being submerged in the storm surge.

http://jalopnik.com/5957866/three-toyota-prius-hybrids-also-burned-in-fisker-karma-port-fire


46 posted on 11/05/2012 7:06:19 PM PST by Montanabound
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To: Army Air Corps

Some old school systems had a lot of value.
But the mechanical pumps were obsoleted when self serve gas came in and they wanted a single clerk to be able to monitor all the pumps from inside, also pay at the pump with credit cards.

Realistically is would not take a huge gen set to power the typical convenience store / gas station and it would give them a real competitive advantage vs those that didn’t have it.


47 posted on 11/05/2012 7:06:53 PM PST by nascarnation (Defeat Baraq 2012. Deport Baraq 2013)
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To: Montanabound

Saw that story another site. The one thing that seems bogus is if those cars had been under 10ft+ of water like the guy claimed they wouldn’t all be lined up nicely like the pic shows.

They would be scrambled all over the place.


48 posted on 11/05/2012 7:09:45 PM PST by nascarnation (Defeat Baraq 2012. Deport Baraq 2013)
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To: Average Al

I swear steam IS the answer, but it will require another disaster or two to revive it.

Run it on pellet fuel, moonshine, coal for Christs sakes, even wood pallets and dirty baby diapers.

Anything but electric, gas or diesel.

But I would start with diesel, then a steam engine fueled by diesel....one step at a time, as they say, “How do you eat an elephant? One piece at a time”


49 posted on 11/05/2012 7:13:02 PM PST by Eye of Unk (President Romney, get used to it.)
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To: AmonAmarth

I want one. I love technology (I’m not an Enviro. wacko). I also like the quietness and torque. I have a Hybrid Nissan Altima. Great car!!! I’m just waiting for Obama to lose. Not going to buy one if he is President.


50 posted on 11/05/2012 7:14:38 PM PST by willk
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