Posted on 11/05/2012 2:14:59 PM PST by null and void
You get a lot of exercise jumping to conclusions. My machines are not CNC. Neither are my measuring tools.
OK, so you're in the "acceptance" camp rather than the "education" one.
You are in the "doesn't read" camp. Physics and Computer Science degrees aren't handed out by gas stations.
Would it help your understanding to know that my metalworking equipment is for hobby purposes?
No, I honestly can't think of why the units matter on a machine tool. Other than the scales printed on the controls, what is there about a lathe or milling machine that is dependent on the unit of measurement? ...especially if it's not CNC?
You are in the "doesn't read" camp. Physics and Computer Science degrees aren't handed out by gas stations.
Yes, I got that you have your degree. We're all very proud of you. Do you comprehend the meaning of the word "acceptance"? Are you claiming that you do accept the metric system and we are in agreement??? If not, then I think you're in the "acceptance" camp in your rejection of the metric system. You don't accept it, due to some other reason besides some inherent inferiority of metric.
Would it help your understanding to know that my metalworking equipment is for hobby purposes?
What happened to the very expensive machining equipment? I thought that's what we were discussing. Why can't your expensive machining equipment cut parts that are 10.0 mm in diameter? I don't get why they would need to be replaced in order to do metric.
Ah, this might be the sticking point. Sure, I can compute inch measurements for metric parts. But when I turn the knobs to the desired place, I will have to settle with the closest .001" and a wild guess for any .0001" of the computed result. It is common to guess the location of the .0005 position; and, the human eye can split things in half with remarkable accuracy. All bets are off if the final digits are something like .000146". So, the issue of making metric parts on English machines is NOT the arithmetic, it is turning the dials to unmarked positions.
If you had ever done any machining on a manual lathe or mill, you would know this. It is often essential for machine to be done to within .0001". That doesn't show up on machine dials, but surely does on micrometers. Those are expensive devils. In my humble shop, coming that close generally means using emory paper rather than the machine's tool point.
By the way, CNC machines are easily accurate to .0001", so they can handle the equivalences of metric measurements well enough. Still, many of those machines have position transducers made to English specifications; and, those babies are quite expensive.
Now here comes the most important problem: Machine power feeds. An Imperial lathe will cut threads based upon threads per inch. The only recourse for cutting metric threads using those lead screws is to use change gears at some multiple of 1:254, and the keep the carriage engaged for the return trip before cutting the next pass. That requires the machine to be stopped at the end of every pass, reversing the motor until the carriage is returned to the start point, and then once again reversing for the cutting pass. That is a lot slower than disengaging the power feed, hand cranking the carriage back to the start point, waiting for the threading dial to indicate the proper lead screw position, and then re-engaging the feed.
Correct. I'm no machinist. That was exactly the explanation I hoped for.
I couldn't think of any reason why the units would matter, and you have given me some. Thanks. :)
The go out an buy a small lathe and mill and start making stuff! ;-D
I found this to be a fun hobby, even if I make more scrap metal than ends up in the projects.
I will eventually make some firearms, including rifling the barrels ... but, I need to practice a whole lot more first.
Browse http://hobby-machinist.com/ if you want to see some talent. There is a fellow there who posted step-by-step pictures of his rifle build.
Jeep.
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