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Would rising prices(if legal)work better than state controlled Rationing in NJ after this hurricane?
links in post | 11/3/2012 | sickoflibs

Posted on 11/03/2012 1:55:01 PM PDT by sickoflibs

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To: sickoflibs

The answer in our situation is a resounding NO.

Because existing supply is prepositioned in the consumer facing end of the supply chain.

Raising prices would create adverse incentives to the chains of gas integrated wholesalers/retailers and confederated station owners in the region.


21 posted on 11/03/2012 4:15:39 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: SaraJohnson
No matter the good intentions of your market rationalizations and logic, don’t even try it during a disaster. It’s seen as piling on; dishonorable.

And, given your beliefs about the free market, I suspect you'll be voting for Obama? After all, the free market is just people dealing with people for their mutual well-being.

We wouldn't want that would we.

It's just incredible the extent to which Marxism has permeated American conservatism.

22 posted on 11/03/2012 5:06:35 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Teach a man to fish and you lose a Democratic voter.)
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To: sickoflibs

Gouging is superior to hoarding.


23 posted on 11/03/2012 5:10:10 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: sickoflibs
Food rationing, NOW!


24 posted on 11/03/2012 5:15:31 PM PDT by SparkyBass
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To: SaraJohnson
How about the guy that decides to fill up both cars because the price is so good?

Let the price rise to meet demand and you have a much better chance of more people getting what they need instead of what they want.

25 posted on 11/03/2012 5:17:19 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Alberta's Child; count-your-change; mjp; JerseyHighlander; muir_redwoods; Spartan79; ...
RE :” 2. One exception to this would be those gas stations where a large generator could help get the station open. The problem, as I've heard, is that gasoline is sold on such a small profit margin that the profit on the sale of every drop of gasoline in the station's inventory isn't enough to cover the cost of getting a generator in place and running it for several days. This is the type of situation where price “gouging” might be an effective way to get more gasoline out to customers. “

Thanks
This is exactly the one I was thinking of. Allowing gas station owners to charge what buyers are willing to pay, rather than the lower price that the state dictates, could provide a strong incentive to bring in generators to power more gas stations getting more people gas and slowly lowering the prices again as more come on line.

The way it is now station owners might as well just close early with these rules leaving consumers with nothing for standing in line.

But fairness trumps practical economics when the elected gubment decides.

26 posted on 11/03/2012 5:23:24 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: bill1952
RE :”That came right from The Communist Manifesto, but you know that, Correct? Works in every Communist Nation...”

Are you trying to claim that communism didn't work? North Koreans are the happiest people in the world. Life is fair there. No gouging there.

27 posted on 11/03/2012 5:27:37 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: sickoflibs
" ‘Rationing+price controls=fairness’"

Don't know about NY or NJ but for the rest of the nation DRILL DRILL DRILL for OIL baby !
28 posted on 11/03/2012 5:29:00 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: sickoflibs
" NJ also has that law that you are not allowed to pump your own gas, you must wait for an attendant. "

I guess that went out the door really quick after this storm.
29 posted on 11/03/2012 5:30:45 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: sickoflibs

So NJ Gov Chris Christie has just announced a form of gasoline rationing of odd and even buying days. At the same time he is prosecuting merchants for raising prices in response to the shortages; and I am sure this is very popular there: ‘ Proscecute those greedy capitalists because price gouging is unfair’ I can imagine them saying.

Under the circumstances, could you blame a station owner who just shuts down to avoid the hassle?


30 posted on 11/03/2012 5:57:03 PM PDT by Figment
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To: Alberta's Child

You’re close, but wrong. High prices send a market signal and cure themselves through arbitrage or repairing the supply/demand shock.

Government regulations on gas blends limit the ability to shift gasoline, but price flexibility, desparaginly called “price gouging”, acts as a clarifier both for supply and demand.

Imagine the situation where a butcher has thousands of dollars worth of meat at meat at steak v. the person who wants to keep the television and refrigerator running. At $15/gal the market will clear only for those who need it most. If both of the above face the same pricing then their is a mismatch because the market clearing price is obviously higher. The people who need it least get too much and the people who need it most get to little. Supply remains the same because potential suppliers don’t gain anything by entering the market.

See this example from NC: http://www.econlib.org/library/Columns/y2007/Mungergouging.html

Price gouging laws are stupid and high prices cure themselves.


31 posted on 11/03/2012 6:01:55 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: sickoflibs

I can agree with the rationing. The price control is BS unless you can protect the station from huge increases in his next delivery. I would personally shut the business until the gov gets out of the way


32 posted on 11/03/2012 6:02:19 PM PDT by Figment
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To: coloradan

Rationing+price controls = empty shelves, gas lines, uniform despair = fairness

Fairness is a word I have come to despise in the last four years. No one ever mislead me to expect fairness in life. Anyone who does is delusional


33 posted on 11/03/2012 6:05:45 PM PDT by Figment
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To: sickoflibs

NJ also has that law that you are not allowed to pump your own gas, you must wait for an attendant.

I’m sure those union twits are really doing yeomans duty in pumping that gas too/s


34 posted on 11/03/2012 6:09:07 PM PDT by Figment
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To: SaraJohnson

Businesses price gouging people will experience the opposite effect - forever.

How do you define “price gouging”? I say it’s mine and it’s not for sale. You want it at any price, should I be forced to sell it at your price or not sell it at all if it’s not what I would take?


35 posted on 11/03/2012 6:16:33 PM PDT by Figment
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To: SaraJohnson

Businesses price gouging people will experience the opposite effect - forever.

How do you define “price gouging”? I say it’s mine and it’s not for sale. You want it at any price, should I be forced to sell it at your price or not sell it at all if it’s not what I would take?


36 posted on 11/03/2012 6:17:12 PM PDT by Figment
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To: Figment

Christie’s channeling Carter or maybe Obama rubbed off on him. These stupid Eastern Publicans.


37 posted on 11/03/2012 6:17:25 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: eddie willers

Gouging is superior to hoarding.

Don’t doubt the jerks who are hoarding too. That is one reason that rationing is not a bad move.If you want to hoard, do it before the disaster


38 posted on 11/03/2012 6:28:01 PM PDT by Figment
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To: American Constitutionalist

I guess that went out the door really quick after this storm.

Don’t bet on it. That’s probably what had the lines so long


39 posted on 11/03/2012 6:31:54 PM PDT by Figment
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To: Figment

Dear libertarian figment of Ayn Rand’s imagination. You are not “forced” to sell anything. You can show everyone and close down during a disaster. Republican and Demonrat States forbid price gouging. Why? Because they don’t want businesses burned and looted. They are not darwinists.

Just so you know, price gouging is raising your profit margins on items beyond what is your profit margins were prior to the disaster. So if the widgets cost you more than before the disaster, you can charge more.

During a disaster, business owners who are quick in getting going again, make lots more business in volume of sales. So in a way, they benefit in profit from a disaster without taking advantage of people’s suffering and ripping everyone off.


40 posted on 11/03/2012 6:46:27 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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