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1 posted on 11/03/2012 7:46:49 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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But the eco-facists keep trying to take down our economy with BHO leading the way.

An example: Obie has Tax Dodging Tim and the US Treasurey financing a study that would link the tax code to the carbon emissions of businesses and each individual citizen, similar to what they are doing down in OZ.

Link: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/11/01/eco-taxes-study-financed-by-us-treasury-will-link-tax-code-to-carbon-emissions/


2 posted on 11/03/2012 7:51:56 AM PDT by CharlesMartelsGhost
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The conventional climate-change argument holds that warmer oceans will lead to more intense hurricanes and other extreme weather events. But Sandy was not an unprecedentedly powerful hurricane — it inflicted such remarkable damage because it arrived at the confluence of a nor’easter and a high-pressure system, and plowed into densely populated urban areas at high tide.

However, Atlantic temperatures were warmer than normal in parts of Sandy's path (mostly towards the end). Just because Sandy had no hurricane force winds at landfall doesn't mean Sandy was weak. Sandy had more wind energy than most stronger hurricanes, but spread over a large area which can inflict more surge damage in the right (unlucky) circumstances.

Comparing small powerful hurricanes to Sandy is illustrative. Charley which hit Florida in 2004 was category 4 but very small. It's central pressure was only a bit lower than Sandy's (941 vs 948). It's winds were 140-150 mph and that caused a surge as much as 10 feet in a very small area. Sandy's surge would have been smaller but just happened to funnel into the NYC area at high tide. The 1821 hurricane hit NYC with a smaller surge but came at low tide so the surge would have been higher than Sandy's.

In short, the effects like surges are nothing new and we can't pretend they don't exist, "climate change" or not. But global warming, such as it is, has some effects: the current inch per decade sea level rise in places like NYC and the warmer Atlantic temperatures (although part of that warmth is AMO, a cycle). So we should set aside some money and build some surge barriers (e.g. Verrazano Narrows) and elevate the substations, buy some more pumps, etc.

3 posted on 11/03/2012 8:14:18 AM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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Any 5th Grader knows its been 75 years since the Long island Express [1938] wiped out NY city NJ LI. til Sandy repeated the feat- It`s the 80–90 year solar Gleissberg cycles appearing to vary in length given to be 80-90-years (70-100 years)- Any kid knows that.


4 posted on 11/03/2012 8:17:34 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (Sun`s fault, noy Bush`s.)
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Roger Pielke: Hurricanes and Human Choice
10 posted on 11/03/2012 2:48:58 PM PDT by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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‘Climate change’ messed with the Earth’s satellite’s ORBIT??

The bozos conviently leave out the HIGH TIDE and the FULL MOON effect!!


12 posted on 11/03/2012 3:28:42 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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http://pjmedia.com/weathernerd/2012/10/

For news accuracy, the TRUE STORM SURGE was really only 9’, not 14’ as portrayed by the media, given that high tide is 5’

The Hurricane of 1821 (prior record) was 11.2’, so Hurricane Sandy’s storm surge (actually surge + tide) was 2.6’ higher than in 1821.

Given that high tide is 5’ and low tide is minus 5’, Hurricane Sandy might have, in fact, been less powerful than the 1821 record hurricane given that it’s likely that the 1821 Hurricane didn’t hit exactly at high tide like Hurricane Sandy did.

In other words, the high tide alone might have been the key factor that gave Hurricane Sandy the extra height to break the prior record.

Prior record water level from Hurricane Donna that may have not hit at high tide were:

—Hurricane Donna (1960): Battery Park level = 10.02’

Summary: To say that this is a harbinger of Global Warming, while ignoring the relatively quiet hurricane years since Katrina and – is simply misleading.

How climate change amplified Sandy’s impacts | Center for Climate ...
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2 days ago – The 13.8-foot surge measured at Battery Park in Lower Manhattan surpassed the all-time record of 11.2 feet set in 1821, flooding the New York ...

MORE GOOD READING:

http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/38hurricane/weather_history_38.html

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_New_England_hurricane
Before the 1938 New England hurricane, it had been several decades since a hurricane of any significance adversely affected the northeastern Atlantic coastline. Nevertheless, history has shown that several severe hurricanes have affected the Northeast, although with much less frequency in comparison to areas of the Gulf, Florida, and southeastern Atlantic coastlines.

The Great September Gale of 1815 (the term hurricane was not yet common in the American vernacular), which hit New York City directly as a Category 3 hurricane, caused extensive damage and created an inlet that separated the Long Island resort towns of the Rockaways and Long Beach into two separate barrier islands.
The 1821 Norfolk and Long Island Hurricane, a Category 4 storm which made four separate landfalls in Virginia, New Jersey, New York, and southern New England. The storm created the highest recorded storm surge in Manhattan of nearly 13 feet and severely impacted the farming regions of Long Island and southern New England.
The 1869 Saxby Gale affected areas in Northern New England, decimating the Maine coastline and the Canadian Outer Banks. It was the last major hurricane to affect New England until the 1938 storm.
The 1893 New York hurricane, a Category 2 storm, directly hit the city itself, causing a great storm surge that pummeled the coastline, completely removing the Long Island resort town of Hog Island.
The years spanning 1893 to 1938 saw much demographic change in the Northeast as large influxes of European immigrants settled in cities and towns throughout New York and New England, many of whom knew little, if anything, about hurricanes. Most people at the time associated hurricanes with the warmer tropical regions off the Gulf Coast and southern North Atlantic waters off the Florida coastline, and not the colder Atlantic waters off New York and New England. The only tropical storms to affect the area in recent years had been weak remnant storms. A more common weather phenomenon was a noreaster, which is a powerful low-pressure storm common in the Northeast during fall and winter. Although Noreasters can produce winds that are similar to those in hurricanes, they do not produce the storm surge that proved to be the 1938 storm’s greatest killer. By 1938, most of the earlier storms were hardly remembered.


13 posted on 11/03/2012 4:14:45 PM PDT by AlanGreenSpam (Obama: The First 'American IDOL' President - sponsored by Chicago NeoCom Thugs)
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14 posted on 11/03/2012 6:18:45 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Obama should change his campaign slogan to "Yes, we am!" Sounds as stupid as his administration is.)
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This is what that simple-minded boob F Chuck Todd propogated as 'science':

Nothing about naming marginal storms -- 3 just this year! -- that even a gung-ho global swarmist like Dr. Masters has questioned.

15 posted on 11/03/2012 6:33:46 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (2008 + IN, NE1, NC, FL, VA, OH, CO, IA, NH = 285EV)
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Is this really complicated science? Recorded climate data is a drop in the bucket compared to the existence of Earth.

Anytime you run into a lefty who starts in with the global warming nonsense, ask them what the temperture was at the signing of the Magna Carta, or the Dew Point at the Council of Trent, or the relative humidity at the Emancipation Proclamation.

And then watch them assume the fetal position.


16 posted on 11/03/2012 9:25:03 PM PDT by Senator Goldwater
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People forget Hurricane Hazel and Hurricane Diane in 1954 and 1955. They were also blocked by high pressure to the north. Hazel ended up in Toronto with CAT 1 winds and Diane flooded the Mid-Atlantic. Hazel and Diane pretty much flooded every anthracite mine in NEPA and ended the deep mine era there. Both these storms caused record destruction for that time in the Northeast.

So were people crying about climate change after these storms?

17 posted on 11/04/2012 1:35:59 AM PDT by this_ol_patriot
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