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More Than A Dozen Fisker Karma Hybrids Caught Fire And Exploded In New Jersey Port After Sandy
Jalopnik ^ | Nov 01,2012 | Staff

Posted on 11/01/2012 11:13:21 AM PDT by Red Badger

Approximately 16 of the $100,000+ Fisker Karma extended-range luxury hybrids were parked in Port Newark, New Jersey last night when water from Hurricane Sandy’s storm surge apparently breached the port and submerged the vehicles. As Jalopnik has exclusively learned, the cars then caught fire and burned to the ground.

Our source tells us they were “first submerged in a storm surge and then caught fire, exploded.” This wouldn’t be the first time the vehicles, which use a small gasoline engine to charge batteries that provide energy to two electric motors, had an issue with sudden combustion.

The vehicle, despite only being in limited production, has already experienced numerous fires due to equipment failures and electrical shorts. How, exactly, they caught fire after being submerged in sea water is unclear. It’s possible the salt water caused a short that led to a fire.

Calls to Fisker and the Port Newark Container Terminal have not been returned as of publication time.

UPDATE: Fisker released the following statement:

“It was reported today that several Fisker Karmas were damaged by fire at the Port of Newark after being submerged in sea water during Superstorm Sandy. We can report that there were no injuries and none of the cars were being charged at the time.

We have confidence in the Fisker Karma and safety is our primary concern. While we intend to find the cause as quickly as possible, storm damage has restricted access to the port.

We will issue a further statement once the root cause has been determined.”


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Technical; Testing; US: California; US: Michigan; US: New Jersey; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: auto; automakers; california; fisker; hurricanesandy; karma; michigan; newjersey; ohio; ports
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MY KARMA RAN OVER MY DOGMA.........

1 posted on 11/01/2012 11:13:26 AM PDT by Red Badger
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To: sully777; vigl; Cagey; Abathar; A. Patriot; B Knotts; getsoutalive; muleskinner; sausageseller; ...

Ping!.........


2 posted on 11/01/2012 11:14:15 AM PDT by Red Badger (Why yes, that was crude and uncalled for......That's why I said it..............)
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To: Red Badger

What country makes these things?


3 posted on 11/01/2012 11:16:21 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Red Badger

First time in history that steel has been melted by water.


4 posted on 11/01/2012 11:16:47 AM PDT by agere_contra ("Government creates nothing" - Romney, 2012)
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To: Red Badger

Does not bode well for any fool that buys one and drives through a decent rain puddle..........


5 posted on 11/01/2012 11:20:23 AM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: Red Badger

Unsafe at no speed.


6 posted on 11/01/2012 11:22:16 AM PDT by bmwcyle (45% to 47% of American voters are stupid)
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To: Red Badger

Salt water + Battery terminals = Shorted Batteries = Fire


7 posted on 11/01/2012 11:22:35 AM PDT by ryan71
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To: Red Badger

Dogma’s revenge on the Karma...


8 posted on 11/01/2012 11:22:35 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: Red Badger; Revolting cat!; Slings and Arrows

But they are good for the environment. < /sarc >


9 posted on 11/01/2012 11:22:39 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: Red Badger

so a Fisker Karma is a bad choice for the beach ,you live at the beach , buy at own risk


10 posted on 11/01/2012 11:23:29 AM PDT by molson209
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To: Red Badger

The new Fisker “Shock and Awe”


11 posted on 11/01/2012 11:23:35 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Red Badger

Yikes, don’t try driving through high water in these babies. That’s a $100 K barbeque pit.


12 posted on 11/01/2012 11:23:38 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Red Badger

A friend told me they were really hot cars....


13 posted on 11/01/2012 11:24:39 AM PDT by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: doorgunner69
Fisker Karma

I mean Ford Pinto. At least a Pinto needed a hard rear end collision to burst into flames, these tings go up in smoke in water.

They're blaming the problem on salt water and salt does lower water's resistance. Well if the problem really is salt water, what happens when you drive it during/after a snow storm and the road is covered in salt?

14 posted on 11/01/2012 11:26:27 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Red Badger
It’s possible the salt water caused a short that led to a fire.

Ya think? ;-)
15 posted on 11/01/2012 11:26:43 AM PDT by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: Lx
I mean Ford Pinto. At least a Pinto needed a hard rear end collision to burst into flames


16 posted on 11/01/2012 11:27:47 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Red Badger

Kind of re-defines the word Meltdown!


17 posted on 11/01/2012 11:29:01 AM PDT by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: Red Badger

Is this the car algore is invested in and millions of stimulus money went to?

Pray for America


18 posted on 11/01/2012 11:29:05 AM PDT by bray (Nov 6, tell Obama to Stand Down!)
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To: Red Badger

Better not drive one in the rain!


19 posted on 11/01/2012 11:29:44 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Red Badger

20 posted on 11/01/2012 11:29:57 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: ryan71
Reminds me of a vending machine in my dorm hall in college. Somebody figured out that if you pumped a turkey baster full of salt water into the coin slot you could get a free soda.

As time passed, you'd see more and more people wandering down the hall to the vending machines with a turkey basted load with salt water every time they wanted a soda. Eventually, there was a thick crust of salt on the front of the vending machine under the coin slot, but for some reason, the vending company kept loading it up with sodas.

One night it burst into flames.

Go figure.

21 posted on 11/01/2012 11:30:43 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: dfwgator

Wasn’t that Val Kilmer in Top Secret? Still funny 30 years later.


22 posted on 11/01/2012 11:31:07 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Red Badger

Talk about bad Karma...


23 posted on 11/01/2012 11:31:24 AM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (CHRISTOPHER WALKEN 2012: A cowbell in every pot!)
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To: Red Badger

I take it back. Perhaps there is something to this karma thing. LOL


24 posted on 11/01/2012 11:31:33 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Resident NBC NRD N3pmCs HCR / no birth C / no req docs / no 3pm calls / he can read)
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To: agere_contra

That can’t be true. Rosie O’Donnell said that steel doesn’t melt. /s


25 posted on 11/01/2012 11:31:52 AM PDT by ken in texas (I was taught to respect my elders but it keeps getting harder to find any.)
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To: Red Badger
Complete List of President Obama’s Taxpayer-Backed Green Energy Failures (as of Thursday, October 18th, 2012)

Evergreen Solar ($24 million)*

SpectraWatt ($500,000)*

Solyndra ($535 million)*

Beacon Power ($69 million)*

AES’s subsidiary Eastern Energy ($17.1 million)

Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)

SunPower ($1.5 billion)

First Solar ($1.46 billion)

Babcock and Brown ($178 million)

EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*

Amonix ($5.9 million)

National Renewable Energy Lab ($200 million)

Fisker Automotive ($528 million)

Abound Solar ($374 million)*

A123 Systems ($279 million)*

Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($6 million)

Johnson Controls ($299 million)

Schneider Electric ($86 million)

Brightsource ($1.6 billion)

ECOtality ($126.2 million)

Raser Technologies ($33 million)*

Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*

Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*

Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*

Range Fuels ($80 million)*

Thompson River Power ($6.4 million)*

Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*

LSP Energy ($2.1 billion)*

UniSolar ($100 million)*

Azure Dynamics ($120 million)*

GreenVolts ($500,000)

Vestas ($50 million)

LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($150 million)

Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*

Navistar ($10 million)

Satcon ($3 million)*

*Denotes companies that have filed for bankruptcy.

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/General+News/141778/Complete-List-of-President-Obama’s-Taxpayer-Backed-Green-Energy-Failures.html

3 posted on Friday, October 19, 2012 10:58:40 AM by carriage_hill (The 0bummer Penguin: I played this country like a harp from hell.)

26 posted on 11/01/2012 11:32:37 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Red Badger
I know I posted this joke on the other thread but those crispified hulks in the middle of the non-electric cars just makes it more apropos.

--------------------------------

Guy with a deep tan is sitting at club house bar with a pale obvious new comer.

Tanned guy, "I came from NYC after my dress factory went up in flames one night. Darn good thing I had insurance, because I couldn't move those rags for love or money."

Pale guy, "Well, my sad tale is similar. The exclusive Fiskar Karma dealership I had was in deep trouble. Just no market for $100k plus electric cars. And then that storm Sandy flooded the 16 that just came in. Water flooded the batteries, they caught fire and blew up. Damned good thing I had insurance. So I took the $2 mil and came down here."

Tanned guy after a pause quietly asks, "How the heck do you start a hurricane?"

27 posted on 11/01/2012 11:34:01 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: ryan71

Thanks. My little mind was having problems with the whole ‘submerged then caught on fire’ thing.


28 posted on 11/01/2012 11:37:46 AM PDT by radiohead (Buy ammo, store food, pray for the Republic.)
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To: Red Badger

29 posted on 11/01/2012 11:39:18 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Red Badger

I’ve been asking for a report on industrial damage from the storm. So far, all we have heard about are the private property owners. What about all those coal terminals and other bulk cargo terminals, what about refineries. The New Jersey coast is lined with industrial and commercial facilities, yet we hear nothing.


30 posted on 11/01/2012 11:41:50 AM PDT by Eva
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To: ryan71
Old submariners will tell you that getting salt water in the batteries was usually a lethal combination. Not only do you get a short, but you also get hydrogen gas and molecular O2. If the gasses can pocket bad things happen.
31 posted on 11/01/2012 11:44:42 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Red Badger

AlGore face palm!!!


32 posted on 11/01/2012 11:45:14 AM PDT by Lockbar (I promise to purchase one box of ammunition every week.)
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To: Eva

We have five very big customers in NJ and they are all closed until futher notice. We also received this notice from the Port.

Hurricane Sandy and Vessel Schedule – Update 9 - Revised
Dear Valued Customer:

As a direct result of the effects of Hurricane Sandy, the ship channel to
Elizabeth, NJ remains closed by the US Coast Guard.

Similarly, APM Terminals in Elizabeth lacks electricity and the terminal
will remain closed tomorrow, Thursday, November 1st while debris is cleared
and terminal damage assessments are conducted.

Horizon Lines will be cancelling this Friday’s scheduled departure of
Horizon Producer voyage PD722S from Elizabeth. The Producer will instead
depart Elizabeth on voyage PD723S Friday, November 9th. This will give our
customer base time to recover their operations from the storm and execute
the normal cycle of drawing empties and returning loaded containers to our
Elizabeth terminal. Bookings will be updated automatically to reflect the
updated voyage numbers and new booking confirmations will be sent to our
customer base.

Additionally, Horizon Lines will be cancelling the Northbound departure
from San Juan to Elizabeth normally scheduled for Monday, October 5th. The
next northbound voyage to Elizabeth will be Horizon Trader TO489N departing
San Juan Monday, November 12th.


33 posted on 11/01/2012 11:45:14 AM PDT by angcat (ROMNEY/RYAN 2012)
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To: Red Badger

My Cars!.... My Cars!

34 posted on 11/01/2012 11:45:22 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Red Badger

Were they being shipped in or out by ship?

I wonder how the insurance carrier for the freighter will respond. Imagine if this had happened in transit at sea.


35 posted on 11/01/2012 11:47:32 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Red Badger

el carro es mui caliente.


36 posted on 11/01/2012 11:50:27 AM PDT by lurk
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To: Red Badger

Note to self:

Avoid low water bridges and standing water. In the past I only had to worry about drowning. Yikes!


37 posted on 11/01/2012 11:52:02 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Were you in culinary school? How many students kept a turkey baster in their dorm?


38 posted on 11/01/2012 11:53:30 AM PDT by ThirdMate
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To: angcat

Thanks, I knew it had to be bad. My husband was wondering how the Coast Guard Stations fared? He was stationed at several stations from Shinnecock to Cape May.


39 posted on 11/01/2012 11:54:13 AM PDT by Eva
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To: lurk

40 posted on 11/01/2012 11:55:44 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Eva

You are welcome!


41 posted on 11/01/2012 11:55:56 AM PDT by angcat (ROMNEY/RYAN 2012)
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To: Red Badger

I have a used Karma.

I got it from a little old lady school teacher who was only responsible for her actions on weekends.


42 posted on 11/01/2012 12:02:26 PM PDT by Wordkraft (Remember who the Collaborators are.)
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To: Red Badger

So, a hunert tousand simolians? jus like that!


43 posted on 11/01/2012 12:05:11 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Red Badger
Yup, should have put a fuse somewhere in that sucker.
44 posted on 11/01/2012 12:11:10 PM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: Red Badger
Looks like another green car manufacturer is going to go belly-up. Does any one know if production of the Chevy Volt is still suspended? Didn't the Volt's battery pack manufacturer go belly-up? Where are replacement battery packs going to come from?
45 posted on 11/01/2012 12:26:18 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: Red Badger
Looks like another green car manufacturer is going to go belly-up. Does any one know if production of the Chevy Volt is still suspended? Didn't the Volt's battery pack manufacturer go belly-up? Where are replacement battery packs going to come from?
46 posted on 11/01/2012 12:26:50 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: Red Badger

Lithium + water = spectacular YouTube video


47 posted on 11/01/2012 12:47:48 PM PDT by InMemoriam
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To: Lx
And any kid that has taken HS science class knows that only pure water is a good insulator, and that is very hard to find in nature, especially lying on the ground.

I remember the old joke about being stuck in a traffic jam in a Pinto, and seeing an Audi pull up behind you. You knew you were about to die a fiery death.

48 posted on 11/01/2012 12:48:02 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: Red Badger
"As described in the literature, various substances have been tried as extinguishants for metallic lithium fires. For many of these substances, the equilibrium temperature was computed from the reaction of the substance with hot (1040°C) lithium. For some of these substances, the computed equilibrium temperature was sufficiently low that the substances could be considered good extinguishants, and this was generally borne out by literature data. Some of the more promising substances for use as lithium fire extinguishants are silicon carbide (SiC), magnesium oxide (MgO), liquid argon, and boron nitride. Compounds found both by computation and in the literature to enhance combustion include carbon dioxide, TeflonTM, Halon 1211, and carbon tetrachloride."

http://www.springerlink.com/content/t84966h8uj480872/

BTW, 1040°C = 1904°F. The Fisker Karma has an aluminum skin. The melting point of aluminum is 1220°F
49 posted on 11/01/2012 1:00:55 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: ThirdMate
"How many students kept a turkey baster in their dorm?"

Quite a few, once they saw it as a means to free soda.

50 posted on 11/01/2012 1:11:35 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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