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To: IbJensen

would someone please tell me where in the constitution, particularly the second amendment, where it says anything about background checks, criminal record or mental health condition????????


6 posted on 10/18/2012 7:07:43 AM PDT by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: joe fonebone

Not all rights are of the “inalienable” type. Those are specifed as “life, liberty and pursuit of happiness”. From these un/inalienable rights comes the mechanisms to exercise those principles of society and government, namely, to keep and bear arms (obvious to anyone who hold that one’s life is the most important aspect of all), and speech/press (libnerty is at issue here- w/o a voice, one cannot obtain and keep liberty, apply the former comment also,arms), and right to security in one’s person, papers and home. Pursuit of life liberty and happiness is not unlimited- ones pursuit of such (property, money, things etc) are all limited by society and law so as not to intrude/usurp the same from others).

The necessary and proper clasue of the constittuion is the basis for regulating all of the essentail rights- would anyone argue (seriously anyway) the fact taht arms are prohibited in court (except by court officers)?

We need to read, reread and study the DOI, the US COnstitution and BOR/Amendment and as importantly Locke’s “Second treatise on government” and Adam Smiths “Wealth of Nations” (not just about economics) along with a few other founders references for the ideals and intentions of the formation of this nation and our government.

Certainly incompetents and unable persons should not be armed at will, nor allowed to operate vehciles/fly airplanes etc. We owe it to ourselves and others to work in “society” and where we cannot, laws must be employed.

I will be glad to agree that felons once released and off parole/probation etc should be re-enfranchised, or never let go if they are not capable of walking civilly among us.

This said, be it known I exercise al lof my rights as often as I can w/o violating society or law, but life, liberty and pursuit of happiness trump, as they should.

Best;


15 posted on 10/18/2012 7:59:13 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War" (my spelling is generally correct!))
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To: joe fonebone

http://clinpsyc.blogspot.com/2009/01/were-all-mentally-disordered-college.html

Mental Health screenings would disqualify at least 50% of college age America, and the methodology for diagnosing them, is crap.

“A study in the December 2008 issue of the Archives of General Psychiatry concluded that almost half of college aged Americans suffered from a DSM-IV disorder over a one-year timeframe. Yes, I am behind the curve on this one — Furious Seasons was all over this last month (1, 2). Rather than rant about the very odd idea that half of young adults are suffering from a mental disorder, I want to start by mentioning one aspect of the study — perhaps the most important one. Let’s look at how the diagnoses were assigned. To quote from the study:

All of the diagnoses were made according to DSM-IV criteria using the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism Alcohol Use Disorder and Associated Disabilities Interview Schedule–DSM-IV version, a valid and reliable fully structured diagnostic interview designed for use by professional interviewers who are not clinicians.”


21 posted on 10/18/2012 8:41:49 AM PDT by To-Whose-Benefit? (It is Error alone which needs the support of Government. The Truth can stand by itself.)
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To: joe fonebone

Any contact at all, 2nd Amendment Rights, Gone.

Here’s a few of their excuses.

2 Beers? Gone, permanently, Officially insane.
303.00 Alcohol Intoxication
http://behavenet.com/alcohol-intoxication

Smoke cigarettes? Gone, permanently, Officially insane.
305.10 Nicotine Dependence
http://behavenet.com/nicotine

Quit smoking? Gone, permanently, Officially insane.
292.0 Nicotine Withdrawal
http://behavenet.com/nicotine-withdrawal

Have a peek through the psychiatric book.
You’ll notice that a lot of their diseases are temporary intoxications.
And for All of them, Gone, permanently, Officially insane.
http://behavenet.com/dsm-iv-tr-numerical-listing-codes-and-diagnoses

How about this one for science?
292.9 Nicotine-Related Disorder NOS
http://behavenet.com/not-otherwise-specified

374 psychiatric excuses aren’t enough, so they write them up as insane due to Not Otherwise Specified.


23 posted on 10/18/2012 9:19:44 AM PDT by To-Whose-Benefit? (It is Error alone which needs the support of Government. The Truth can stand by itself.)
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