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Obama admin sets aside large public land tracts to develop solar power plants
GOP USA ^ | 10/13/2012 | Jason Dearen

Posted on 10/13/2012 11:42:46 AM PDT by IbJensen

Federal officials on Friday approved a plan that sets aside 445 square miles of public land for thedevelopment of large-scale solar power plants, cementing a new government approach to renewable energy development in the West after years of delays and false starts.

At a news conference in Las Vegas, Interior Secretary Ken Salazarcalled the new plan a "roadmap ... that will lead to faster, smarter utility-scale solar development on public lands."

The plan replaces the department's previous first-come, first-served system of approving solar projects, which let developers choose where they wanted to build utility-scale solar sites and allowed for land speculation.

The department no longer will decide projects within the zones on a case-by-case basis as it had since 2005, when solar developers began filing applications. Instead, the department will direct development to land it has identified as having fewer wildlife and natural-resource obstacles.

The government is establishing 17 new "solar energy zones" on 285,000 acres in six states: California, Nevada, Arizona, Utah, Colorado and New Mexico. More than half of the land — 153,627 acres — is in Southern California.

Interior also established 19 million acres — nearly 30,000 square miles — of so-called "variance zones" that will allow developers to propose solar projects in those areas. Environmental and other review of projects proposed in variance zones would be handled on a case-by-case basis.

The Obama administration has authorized 10,000 megawatts of solar, wind and geothermal projects that, when built, would provide enough energy to power more than 3.5 million homes, Salazar said.

Secretary of Energy Steven Chu said the effort will help the U.S. stay competitive.

"There is a global race to develop renewable energy technologies — and this effort will help us win this race by expanding solar energy production while reducing permitting costs," Chu said in a statement.

The new solar energy zones were chosen because they are near existing power lines, allowing for quick delivery to energy-hungry cities. Also, the chosen sites have fewer of the environmental concerns — such as endangered desert tortoise habitat — that have plagued other projects.

Environmental groups like the Nature Conservancy that had been critical of the federal government's previous approach to solar development in the desert applauded the new plan.

"We can develop the clean, renewable energy that is essential to our future while protecting our iconic desert landscapes by directing development to areas that are more degraded," said Michael Powelson, the conservancy's North American director of energy programs.

Some solar developers that already are building projects were complimentary of the new approach, saying it will help diversify the country's energy portfolio more quickly.

Still, some cautioned that the new plan could still get mired in the same pattern of delay and inefficiency that hampered previous efforts, and they urged the government to continue pushing solar projects forward.

"The Bureau of Land Management must ensure pending projects do not get bogged down in more bureaucratic processes," said Rhone Resch, president of the Solar Energy Industries Association.

Salazar said the country four years ago was importing 60 percent of its oil, and that number has dropped to 45 percent today.

"We can see the energy independence of the United States within our grasp," he said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government
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Only empty-headed morons fail to see where this evil, simple-minded, socialist-muslim is dragging this nation. The first thing a new administration should do is to return all 'federal' land grabs back to the states where the land is geographically located. This includes ALL federal parks, like the Grand Canyon!

This land grab for Obama’s big donors will be a blight on the environment. Where are you tree huggers now ? This GE built turbine, also a pay back, will be a more pulluting mess than the much smaller footprint than many new oil platforms. I bet the government did all the studies to determine that all environmental concers were addressed. I also have a bridge to sell. For 445 square miles, millions in incentives and tax breaks, the less than 150 permanent ” Green Jods” won’t even make a dent in the nation’s unemployment and under-employment problem. This is what we get from Big Statist Socialists.

1 posted on 10/13/2012 11:42:54 AM PDT by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

I agree...except for Military bases etc., the lands belongs to the states.


2 posted on 10/13/2012 11:47:30 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (r)
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To: IbJensen

Interesting. I read a while ago about some shady deal Harry Reid had made pertaining to land.


3 posted on 10/13/2012 11:48:49 AM PDT by sunny48
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To: IbJensen
Obama is willing to commit 445 square miles to solar power, but not 2000 acres to ANWR oil field development, or even a pipeline.

Where are the EPA and environmental studies on this land?

4 posted on 10/13/2012 11:51:12 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

Good God...how long until these ecomorons and property thieves are tossed from power?


5 posted on 10/13/2012 11:54:54 AM PDT by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: IbJensen

shades of Clintonesque or what? This is effectively the 3rd Clinton term in so many ways.

How many millions acres did he declare off limits for any kind of development or mining and such?


6 posted on 10/13/2012 11:55:08 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: IbJensen

Any physics or engineering people here who can give us a good estimate about the expected yield of solar energy per square meter, kilometer etc. of solar collector panels?


7 posted on 10/13/2012 11:56:02 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: IbJensen
Compare the energy costs of natural gas and solar. We need cheaper energy to compete in world markets. This will drive our energy costs up to make us uncompetitive.


8 posted on 10/13/2012 11:56:29 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: IbJensen
Agenda 21.

http://www.propertyrightsresearch.org/articles2/wildlands_project_and_un_convent.htm

Obama's executive order 13575 helping to move Agenda 21 along.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/DCPD-201100431/pdf/DCPD-201100431.pdf

9 posted on 10/13/2012 12:00:17 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Vince Ferrer

Is it going to be called “The National Scrap Metal Scavenger Act” ?


10 posted on 10/13/2012 12:00:49 PM PDT by fudimo
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To: Vince Ferrer

More, if it is OK to denude the landscape with solar panels, then why is it not OK to remove the natural resources before they denude the landscape for solar panels?

It seems to me that permanent solar panels will have an environmental impact greater than a temporary destruction of the landscape to remove resources below the surface.

In a generation or two the land could be back to normal. But with a permanent solar panel allocation in place, the land is lost in shade.


11 posted on 10/13/2012 12:03:34 PM PDT by SteamShovel (Smart Grid is Stupid)
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To: IbJensen
Natural gas: the Smallest footprint of any energy source
12 posted on 10/13/2012 12:06:07 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: IbJensen

Public land my hiney, more like government land. Huge tracts of government land.


13 posted on 10/13/2012 12:07:10 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: IbJensen
Government is the problem but Obama keeps growing the government and keeps adding more government programs. Leave us alone . The private sector and free market can take care of any need.

This socialist Muslim POS Obama is destroying the U.S. and doing to the U.S. what Chavez is in Venezuela. Obama is turning the U.S. into a socialist 3rd world hell hole where we will be oppressed,starving slaves as is the result in all socialist countries like Cuba, Venezuela, USSR, Cambodia , N Korea ,etc.

I'm sick and tired of all this socialism.

14 posted on 10/13/2012 12:08:04 PM PDT by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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To: andyk
Government ownership = socialism ,which doesn't work and creates oppression.
15 posted on 10/13/2012 12:09:07 PM PDT by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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To: IbJensen

They never learn. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Hence the state of our nation.


16 posted on 10/13/2012 12:12:57 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: IbJensen
Salazar said the country four years ago was importing 60 percent of its oil, and that number has dropped to 45 percent today.
"We can see the energy independence of the United States within our grasp," he said.

Disgusting. I'd like to see proof of this 60% down to 45% lie, er, line.

17 posted on 10/13/2012 12:14:59 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: IbJensen

I’m familiar with a couple of solar farm projects. 250 megawatts, 4000 acres+. 500 megawatts, 9000 acres or so.

Either project could be done on 40 acres if it was natural gas.

There is nothing green about an energy source that wipes out thousands of acres for a few megawatts. Wind power is wasteful of land in much the same way.


18 posted on 10/13/2012 12:16:17 PM PDT by marron
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To: Jane Long

Break the economy, you need less fuel. Its like magic. Economic depressions are great fuel saving strategies.


19 posted on 10/13/2012 12:18:08 PM PDT by marron
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To: IbJensen
Salazar said the country four years ago was importing 60 percent of its oil, and that number has dropped to 45 percent today.

How much of that is due to solar power? Isn't it due to the oil exporation that Obama hates?

20 posted on 10/13/2012 12:23:42 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

I would say that none of it is due to solar power. Solar power replaces coal and natural gas. It does not replace oil.


21 posted on 10/13/2012 12:25:59 PM PDT by marron
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To: marron
Wind power is wasteful of land in much the same way.

Wind power KILLS EAGLES! Where are the environazis on this? Why aren't they screaming?

22 posted on 10/13/2012 12:35:35 PM PDT by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Coming from Salazar it’s mostly bull crap. Any increase in domestic oil production is due solely to the State of South Dakota and the amazing oil boom that’s hit there.


23 posted on 10/13/2012 12:43:23 PM PDT by IbJensen (Since light travels faster than sound, some people appear bright until you hear them speak.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Coming from Salazar it’s mostly bull crap. Any increase in domestic oil production is due solely to the State of North Dakota and the amazing oil boom that’s hit there.


24 posted on 10/13/2012 12:43:45 PM PDT by IbJensen (Since light travels faster than sound, some people appear bright until you hear them speak.)
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To: IbJensen

The federal givernment OWNING ANY land in ANY State is obscene.. and pure socialism..


25 posted on 10/13/2012 12:44:21 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: All

Incorrectly identified the state as South Dakota. I thought I caught it in time but, somewhow, both posts hit the thread at the same time


26 posted on 10/13/2012 12:45:12 PM PDT by IbJensen (Since light travels faster than sound, some people appear bright until you hear them speak.)
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To: All

Incorrectly identified the state as South Dakota. I thought I caught it in time but, somewhow, both posts hit the thread at the same time.


27 posted on 10/13/2012 12:45:27 PM PDT by IbJensen (Since light travels faster than sound, some people appear bright until you hear them speak.)
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Sorry for the hiccups. I don’t understand what happened.


28 posted on 10/13/2012 12:46:15 PM PDT by IbJensen (Since light travels faster than sound, some people appear bright until you hear them speak.)
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To: IbJensen

Salazar is the guy who led the fight to shut off oil shale development. Oil shale will never happen as long as he is in office.


29 posted on 10/13/2012 12:50:49 PM PDT by marron
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To: Sacajaweau
Just more collateral for China loans........

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0f8_1235673139

Don't know if its true...but it would make sense from China's viewpoint

30 posted on 10/13/2012 12:54:22 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: IbJensen

This is one of those rare situations where the bunny-huggers will come to the rescue. The land they’re talking about is prime Desert Tortoise habitat.


31 posted on 10/13/2012 12:55:13 PM PDT by Redcloak (A founding member of Drunkards for Romney)
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To: IbJensen

I thought public lands were set aside to prevent development, to maintain a natural environment. Not to be paved over in solar cells.


32 posted on 10/13/2012 12:59:42 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Vince Ferrer

They don’t care as, long as it is their great god Obunghole who is doing it. The American people keep getting locked out of more and more of their public lands while Obungholes cronies get rich.
CAN YOU SAY AGENDA 21 ?


33 posted on 10/13/2012 1:30:46 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: Sacajaweau
. . . . the lands belongs to the states.

I think that so-called "public lands" in most states actually belong to the wretched federal gvernment. Texas is the only state that I am aware of that retained the right to control its public lands when it became a state.

34 posted on 10/13/2012 1:37:50 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: IbJensen
Ecological disasters are fine with Lefties as long as they get to make a few bucks off them.
35 posted on 10/13/2012 1:56:13 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: NormsRevenge

How many millions acres did he declare off limits for any kind of development or mining and such?

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Most of Utah IIRC. And Utah has put the federal government on notice that it is reclaiming those lands.


36 posted on 10/13/2012 2:04:51 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: IbJensen

There needs to be grid backup to aupport these solar panels
and wind turbines. These energy sources are extremely ineffient to begin with, what happens when the panels wear
out and have to be replaced? What happens when the turbines
fail and need repair?


37 posted on 10/13/2012 3:23:21 PM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: upcountryhorseman

Its even less practical because they can not store wind energy.


38 posted on 10/13/2012 3:34:40 PM PDT by Leep (Forward! to serfdom)
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To: Leep

Also, they cannot store solar energy either: it has to be fed into the grid.(sorry, I sholod have done a spell check on my last post)


39 posted on 10/14/2012 8:44:49 AM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: IbJensen; 11B40; A Balrog of Morgoth; A message; ACelt; Aeronaut; AFPhys; AlexW; America_Right; ...
Sounds like it's being done on existing government land -- article says public lands, but we all know who really owns the land.

Let's just hope THESE companies don't go bankrupt.

Why not consider returning all this land to the states? I doubt that the Feds got it with each legislature's permission for its state's land, as stipulated in the Constitution.

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40 posted on 10/17/2012 5:31:45 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Obama should change his campaign slogan to "Yes, we am!" Sounds as stupid as his administration is.)
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