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To: neverdem
the treaty of Granada which allowed the Moslems that was to give the Spanish enough time to conquer the place -- it was a strategic point. Later the Spaniards kicked out the Moslems for good

it was not capitulation by the Christians but rather ensuring that a victory could be retained

The author is also incorrect that Europe had technical superiority to retake constantinople in the 1500s. In the 1700s it did, not earlier

3 posted on 10/05/2012 12:36:00 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos
Pretty much true. Earlier ~ over centuries in fact ~ the Christians and Moslems had swapped a lot of territory and people back and forth more than once. They wrote legal codes that prohibited FORCED CONVERSIONS ~ and sometimes they did that anyway but mostly with time-limits so folks could sell their goods, their homes, their farm implements, and relocate.

Sure, it was brutal back then, but not as brutal as we imagine ~ those people were tough, and the same things we find exceptionally brutal today were, given the conditions, considered tolerance and love by those folks.

There were also class differences. The guys at the top were always treated differently than the guys at the bottom. Jews were always treated differently than Christians or Moslems.

Then there were the trouble makers who always wanted to do a voluntary conversion so they could protect their economic advantages ~ that ended with Ferdinand and Isabella. Since the only place left to conquer was Morocco, that was considered an end-time and folks were left to become Christian or leave the country.

All things considered, the best place in Europe to live North of the Mediterranean from about 700 AD to 1660 or thereabouts was called Spain ~ or, if you didn't want kids, Venice. Otherwise it was pretty much like the worst third-world he**holes around in modern times.

12 posted on 10/05/2012 4:56:05 AM PDT by muawiyah
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