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1 posted on 09/21/2012 11:27:05 AM PDT by marktwain
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Q: "Why did you shoot the robber 16 times?"

A: "That's how many bullets the gun holds."

2 posted on 09/21/2012 11:37:39 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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If it is bad enough to shoot, it is bad enough to shoot to kill.


3 posted on 09/21/2012 11:39:54 AM PDT by wrench
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Given an even choice, I would have to say handgun (assuming it was something in a significant caliber, i.e. beginning with 4), because handling a shotgun in cramped conditions can be a bit dicey. Rifle is right out because of over-penetration. But I would grab what I could get to most quickly (and that would likely be my 1911A1).

1. Double-tap, center of mass on the guy with the gun. He's armed and threatening my employee, he has to be instantly and completely incapacitated. Also, my 'target acquisition skills' aren't good enough to be sure of an arm or leg hit with the adrenaline pumping.

2. Swing and cover the second guy. If I can't see his hands and he moves in a threatening manner, I'm afraid he's going to receive a double-tap, center of mass as well. Otherwise he will be instructed to freeze and raise his hands slowly. But he shouldn't be out with the robbing crew if he doesn't want to get shot.

5 posted on 09/21/2012 11:40:49 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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Meanwhile, two hooded would-be thieves walked into the mart, with at least one of them carrying a weapon.

Shotgun. To take their hoods off, I don't like hoodies on in my store.

6 posted on 09/21/2012 11:44:50 AM PDT by roadcat
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Handgun probably best choice to minimize the possibility of ‘”scatter” that could result with a shotgun, a rifle would have (potentially) too much energy and pass through the Perp as well as cause other store damage.

As for aimpoint - a dead Perp (and accomplice) won't commit the crime again ... won't be a burden on society in jail or the hospital, and, won't sue the store owner in court.

Just my thoughts.

7 posted on 09/21/2012 11:44:50 AM PDT by Cliff Dweller (No such thing as a threat... just targets)
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I was once told by a lawyer (back during the Bernie Goetz trial) to always take a kill shot. That way there’s no injured perp to sue you for things like loss of quality of life (HIS) resulting from a wounding.


8 posted on 09/21/2012 11:45:17 AM PDT by tanknetter
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Handgun was laser-equipped? Center-mass double-tap on perp #1 (armed) with another pair ready to go on perp #2.

Shotgun wouldn't be good if there's patrons in the store. Rifle only if no other options.

Shoot to kill, not injure.

9 posted on 09/21/2012 11:53:12 AM PDT by paulcissa (The first requirement of Liberalism is to stand on your head and tell the world they're upside down)
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To: marktwain

Center of mass. No apologies.


11 posted on 09/21/2012 11:54:56 AM PDT by soycd
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I am not like him

Point a gun at me or my loved ones and it’s over...I’m not going to act all that compassionate because I don’t know what the actual will be if I am.

If I shoot to kill any harm that may befall me is ended...


17 posted on 09/21/2012 12:15:04 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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"In your own words, share with the class what you would have done differently"

Aim better- make sure there is only MY version of the story.

19 posted on 09/21/2012 12:16:16 PM PDT by Mr. K (Washington is where good ideas go to die- Ronald Reagan)
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I haven’t seen any follow up on the robber with the wounded shoulder. In that this was three days ago, unless he sought medical help, around about now he might suddenly develop a high fever. If that is the case, he has about 48 hours left on this Earth, all else being equal.

And his odds of survival, with treatment, are fading fast.

Then again, he might be one of the lucky ones who does not get an infection.


20 posted on 09/21/2012 12:16:44 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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"In your own words, share with the class what you would have done differently"

Aim better- make sure there is only MY version of the story.

21 posted on 09/21/2012 12:25:23 PM PDT by Mr. K (Washington is where good ideas go to die- Ronald Reagan)
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Shot gun - center mass.

I’ll take my chances with the grand jury, especially if the robber is armed and I’ve got tape running.


23 posted on 09/21/2012 12:54:17 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: marktwain

Always shoot to kill.
And because dead guys will sometimes shoot back, Put several additional rounds into him to make sure that he is no longer a threat.


24 posted on 09/21/2012 1:00:09 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (Those who pay no taxes and depend upon government are Government PETS.)
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First assess the situation and identify the threat. Next determine the response, if my response is to use my weapon, I next clearly identify the target or targets (at this point that’s all they are, targets), next eliminate targets center mass two rounds per target, follow up with necessary rounds if targets are still standing, then cover.

One of most important assessments is distance, if you find yourself within two to ten feet of the targets, shoot from the hip, having already assessed there are no obstacles, (my personal thoughts 50% of range time should be spent shooting from the hip at close distance up to fifteen feet minimum), shooting close distance is where you find yourself in most instances.

As to the nearby employee, he is the reason you identify targets. Once your weapon is pointed down range you have already determined to fire, so fire without hesitation.

The process should only take a micro second from assessment to cover, and should be practice on the range, and rehearsed in your mind. The targets referred to as perps, in most instances will be hyped up on some kind of drug, that may offer some resistance to the normal effect of a round, hence the double tap and cover.

In such cases as described in the above incident, I would count the response as a FAIL...although it worked out, it could have been very bad for the defender, and in some states he could find himself spending years in litigation from civil suit, regardless of being justified by criminal court.

Why shoot from the hip? Two reasons, one speed, two at close distance the target can deflect your weapon or disarm you, that’s very hard to do with your weapon at hip.


25 posted on 09/21/2012 1:04:51 PM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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Thank the lord he had a gun. And he must have had a Bible or he would have killed the criminal.


26 posted on 09/21/2012 1:10:53 PM PDT by Calpublican
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Good shooting....but...you need to shoot to kill.

Dead criminals make bad witnesses when you are prosecuted for 2d or 3d Deg Murder....but they make good witnesses when they live when you get charged with attempted 2d/3d Deg murder


30 posted on 09/21/2012 2:58:57 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Blaming Terry Jones for the recent Muslim riots is like blaming the St Louis Rams for football)
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You have to shoot to stop the threat. Never admit you shot but not to kill. If you don’t need to kill you don’t need to use a gun.


31 posted on 09/21/2012 5:44:55 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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39 posted on 09/22/2012 4:24:54 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Obama hates Mexicans (Fast and Furious))
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