Skip to comments.Black Woman Stands Her Ground, Kills White Man
Posted on 09/18/2012 4:47:55 PM PDT by AstralisLux
Houston area investigators are looking into a stand-your-ground case where after a minor fender-bender, a 22-year-old white male was shot and killed by a 23-year-old black woman. During a morning commute, Crystal Scott and Jonathan Ables were in an accident and pulled into a Shell gasoline station to survey the damage...
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Race doesn’t matter here. Facts do. What happen and why/how is what the jury needs to know.
I’ll bet she was on her way to get some “Skillets candy” and Arizona Iced Tea.
Self defense is self defense; race makes no impact.
Unless there’s reason to doubt the woman, like say the witness, she ought to be let go, IMO.
You put your life at risk by merely making eye contact with them.
"Stand your ground," my ass.
A CCW and stand your ground give you the right to use a sidearm IF you have no other alternative to save your life.
It almost sounds like he was trying to help her out of the car....I’ll bet she has plenty of accidents....and how many women do you know that carry a gun that is at the ready.
The girlfriend sounds like a real dim bulb. She says he wasn’t aggressive but she wasn’t there. Then she says she doesn’t want to judge but that she wants justice.
With what is given, I cannot be sure either way. It goes to a grand jury, which is as it should be.
I’m sure the New White Panther Party will put a bounty on her head.
Am I missing something? Because, otherwise, that comment sounded racist.
For some reason the Zimmerman-Trayvon case comes to mind.
Agreed. Security footage may have captured the event but that hasn’t been released yet.
The driver’s window glass will tell. If it was broken by blunt force from outside, she wins; if it was broken by a bullet on the way out, she just gunned him down.
Tactically he made a mistake that policemen are careful to avoid. When approaching a car to talk to a driver, you always stop about 15 degrees behind their left shoulder, so you are a much harder target for them to shoot than if you are right by their window.
The road rage occurred on the road, I take it, and not "in the parking lot".
It's a he said/she said/he's dead situation until we hear from the deceased's passenger and sort the information out.
She says he hit her car. Who failed to yield right of way in traffic? Did he or she speed up and hit a horn instead of yielding to the other car (when pulling out of a driveway/yield/lane change)?
He "followed" her to a gas station. I wouldn't call that stalking. If he "hit" her car, he'd have to exchange information or else be cited with hit and run.
In the ABC 13 account, I thought she fired through the window. Which was it? He broke it or she did? Or did he break it and then she shot through the open frame?
It's dangerous to be pumping gas and have bullets whizzing past you. Even Michelle has said it is dangerous for Barack to pump gas. Apparently even civilians in Houston have to watch out.
Well how about, he was playing his music too loud so she shot him. Oops. That’s not considered “standing your ground” anymore. Shooting somebody because of a fender bender doesn’t make sense to me. It’s dumb. Really dumb. Life is cheap in this country these days and I’m getting sick of it.
This may have been a simple accident that she called a road rage incident in order to, ex poste facto, justify shooting the guy.
If Obama had a son....
If she shot “through” the window and her car was operational, this will be a God send for George Zimmerman if she is found not guilty.
The witness unaffiliated with either driver disagrees with her account. No argument before the shooting. No pounding.
Not sure how it went down, but I can assure you she can't hear anything but a loud ringing right now, if she didn't have the muzzle outside the window.
I made that mistake once, it will never happen again.
Pretty disappointed with the comments here. Lots of racial statements. If you believe Stand your ground was good in Trayvon, you should believe the same thing here whether, black/white male/female. If footage shows otherwise that changes but we should be viewing it the same way.
Wayne Kramer is still around. Ask him if he's going to do a fundraiser concert.
PS for all of the MC5's political grandstanding in the 60s (they were the band that actually played the Chicago 1968 DNC protest rally when word on the street was it would be the Beatles or Stones), they got called out in NYC by other members of the White Panthers as being politically incorrect meatheads, not properly politically agitated savy liberals. It was their manager John Sinclair who painted them as political revolutionaries. Wayne Kramer still believes the hype though.
Dude was an angry douchebag and it got him killed.
Give her the gun back and send her on her way home.
Unless there's something I'm missing here this one's very similar to a more famous recent case.
For the record, you’re allowed to post a 300 word excerpt from any source on FR’s green light list.
It’s hard to get a conversation started with just a teaser, and lots of folks will give you grief for posting a cliffhanger like that.
I read that she called 911 before she pulled into the Shell Station.
That’s the big question. The lawyer’s story is diverging from the event and even the police report.
Gotta agree with you there.
If you believe Stand your ground was good in Trayvon, you should believe the same thing here
I need a few more facts here. But, to compare this to the Zimmerman/Martin case is absurd at this point. There is a little difference between having your head beaten in and your car pounded on, if that's what happened here. The witness does not agree with her story.
Assuming the report of the incident is accurate(a dangerous assumption now days!)The statement of the witness turns guilt or innocence into a question of fact.
Even rabid dogs 'don't deserve killing,' if we go by what the family and friends say.
Having experienced the wrong end road rage, I can assure everyone that race does not play a role. Road rage is road rage.
I am sure I am not the only driver who has been involved in a fender bender, and failed to rush the other driver's car, pounded on her window and tried to open the other driver's door. This nut deserved what he started by acting like an animal.
If I were on her jury, I would be totally on her side.
All based on the preliminary facts given. What is important and missing is the input from any witnesses (plural) to the event.
I agree with others. Self-defense is self-defense.
I do note that this was in daylight, in a public place with others present, and she was still inside her car so its not an exact equivalent to the more famous case.
So I’ll be curious to see how the investigation turns out.
In this instance, "eyewitness" is a misnomer. He did not see any of the incident until it was over. He is more of an "earwitness".
Well put. Thank you.
While it may have been scary (it would have been for me at 23, no matter the color of those involved)the article does not lead me to believe it was a life threatening situation.
I dare say that the breakdown in race relations caused the fear this poor young woman felt, perhaps even the anger the white guy felt.
I hate to sound racist, but the closest calls I've had on the road recently in big Texas cities, were caused by black women drivers (I am white and a woman). The black women I've “encountered”; two of which, would have caused a major wreck if I had not been aware - didn't even bother to look when changing lanes - they just considered it their due to pull in front of a vehicle doing 70 MPH.
They gots rights after all.
This was cold blooded murder because of race, and by god she was
going to even the score taught to her though brainwashing from the Justice Brothers.
I never walk up to a vehicles window, even if there's an accident.
Let the police sort it out.
We Texans will show those idiots in Fla how justice is done.
It will be based on facts and not race.
RACE shouldn’t matter in self defense but here it likely will but in the opposite of usual
Houston is a very race preference town nowadays..so Mike Berry sez
Trayvon actually was carrying an Arizona watermelon cocktail.
Hmm. Perhaps you like to further explain your post at 3. You’re coming off as being bigoted and I’m sure you didn’t intend that. Particularly given the mods low tolerance level for those kind of remarks.
If they were in a gas station IT WILL be on film.
And it’d be one of the few times I agreed with eric holder.
Self defense is self defense; race makes no impact.
That all depends on the opinion of the the U.S. Department of “Just Us.”
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