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Black Woman Stands Her Ground, Kills White Man
Spero News ^ | 9/18/12 | Martin Barillas

Posted on 09/18/2012 4:47:55 PM PDT by AstralisLux

Houston area investigators are looking into a stand-your-ground case where after a minor fender-bender, a 22-year-old white male was shot and killed by a 23-year-old black woman. During a morning commute, Crystal Scott and Jonathan Ables were in an accident and pulled into a Shell gasoline station to survey the damage...

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1 posted on 09/18/2012 4:48:01 PM PDT by AstralisLux
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To: AstralisLux

Race doesn’t matter here. Facts do. What happen and why/how is what the jury needs to know.


2 posted on 09/18/2012 4:49:23 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: AstralisLux

I’ll bet she was on her way to get some “Skillets candy” and Arizona Iced Tea.


3 posted on 09/18/2012 4:50:32 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The United States of America apologizing to knuckledragging, cavedwelling Neandethals. Whodda thunk!)
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To: AstralisLux

"Not guilty!"


4 posted on 09/18/2012 4:51:43 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm not voting for Obama, so therefore I must be helping Romney!)
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To: AstralisLux

Self defense is self defense; race makes no impact.
Unless there’s reason to doubt the woman, like say the witness, she ought to be let go, IMO.


5 posted on 09/18/2012 4:53:11 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: AstralisLux
I lived in Houston for ten years, and had the misfortune of getting in the vicinity of some extremely violent, hostile, big, fat black wimmens in public places.

You put your life at risk by merely making eye contact with them.

"Stand your ground," my ass.

6 posted on 09/18/2012 4:53:48 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: AstralisLux
“If she feared for her life or something, why didn’t she just drive off?"

Good question.

A CCW and stand your ground give you the right to use a sidearm IF you have no other alternative to save your life.

7 posted on 09/18/2012 4:54:50 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: AstralisLux

It almost sounds like he was trying to help her out of the car....I’ll bet she has plenty of accidents....and how many women do you know that carry a gun that is at the ready.


8 posted on 09/18/2012 4:55:10 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: AstralisLux

The girlfriend sounds like a real dim bulb. She says he wasn’t aggressive but she wasn’t there. Then she says she doesn’t want to judge but that she wants justice.


9 posted on 09/18/2012 4:55:18 PM PDT by albionin
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To: Blueflag

With what is given, I cannot be sure either way. It goes to a grand jury, which is as it should be.


10 posted on 09/18/2012 4:55:21 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: AstralisLux

I’m sure the New White Panther Party will put a bounty on her head.


11 posted on 09/18/2012 4:56:06 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: FlingWingFlyer
I’ll bet she was on her way to get some “Skillets candy” and Arizona Iced Tea.

Am I missing something? Because, otherwise, that comment sounded racist.

12 posted on 09/18/2012 4:56:39 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: AstralisLux

For some reason the Zimmerman-Trayvon case comes to mind.


13 posted on 09/18/2012 4:56:39 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: marktwain

Agreed. Security footage may have captured the event but that hasn’t been released yet.


14 posted on 09/18/2012 4:57:42 PM PDT by AstralisLux
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To: AstralisLux

The driver’s window glass will tell. If it was broken by blunt force from outside, she wins; if it was broken by a bullet on the way out, she just gunned him down.

Tactically he made a mistake that policemen are careful to avoid. When approaching a car to talk to a driver, you always stop about 15 degrees behind their left shoulder, so you are a much harder target for them to shoot than if you are right by their window.


15 posted on 09/18/2012 4:58:15 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: AstralisLux
“[She] got involved in road rage with an individual who wrecked her car, followed her into a gas station and jumped out of his car and began attacking her car,” she said.

The road rage occurred on the road, I take it, and not "in the parking lot".

It's a he said/she said/he's dead situation until we hear from the deceased's passenger and sort the information out.

She says he hit her car. Who failed to yield right of way in traffic? Did he or she speed up and hit a horn instead of yielding to the other car (when pulling out of a driveway/yield/lane change)?

He "followed" her to a gas station. I wouldn't call that stalking. If he "hit" her car, he'd have to exchange information or else be cited with hit and run.

16 posted on 09/18/2012 4:59:10 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: Sacajaweau
Yes indeed as he was yelling and pounding on the car and trying to open the driver side door. A true gentleman, a real caballero.
17 posted on 09/18/2012 5:00:02 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: AstralisLux
Alleging that Ables broke the driver’s side window of Scott’s car, Quiñones cited this as evidence of the ferocity of the attack.

In the ABC 13 account, I thought she fired through the window. Which was it? He broke it or she did? Or did he break it and then she shot through the open frame?

18 posted on 09/18/2012 5:00:25 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: EGPWS
True enough but in West Virginia this sort of thing would get a ‘decline to prosecute’ action by most county DA’s unless the dead fellow was the son of a judge or some other worthy.
19 posted on 09/18/2012 5:01:52 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: AstralisLux
An eyewitness, who appeared on camera but has requested anonymity, said that he did not hear any threat in the seconds before Scott killed Ables. The witness was pumping gas and standing 15 feet away from Ables when a bullet ricocheted past him and struck his car. The bullet left a noticeable impression on the witness’s car.

It's dangerous to be pumping gas and have bullets whizzing past you. Even Michelle has said it is dangerous for Barack to pump gas. Apparently even civilians in Houston have to watch out.

20 posted on 09/18/2012 5:02:26 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: Scoutmaster

Well how about, he was playing his music too loud so she shot him. Oops. That’s not considered “standing your ground” anymore. Shooting somebody because of a fender bender doesn’t make sense to me. It’s dumb. Really dumb. Life is cheap in this country these days and I’m getting sick of it.


21 posted on 09/18/2012 5:02:54 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The United States of America apologizing to knuckledragging, cavedwelling Neandethals. Whodda thunk!)
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To: OneWingedShark
Self defense is self defense; race makes no impact.

Yup.
22 posted on 09/18/2012 5:03:05 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: AstralisLux
An eyewitness, who appeared on camera but has requested anonymity, said that he did not hear any threat in the seconds before Scott killed Ables. The witness was pumping gas and standing 15 feet away from Ables when a bullet ricocheted past him and struck his car. The bullet left a noticeable impression on the witness’s car.

I'm sure that says enough.
23 posted on 09/18/2012 5:03:23 PM PDT by PJBankard (I told my friends I was heading to Octermocty for the weekend. They replied... "Wear the fox hat")
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To: a fool in paradise
The road rage occurred on the road, I take it, and not "in the parking lot".

This may have been a simple accident that she called a road rage incident in order to, ex poste facto, justify shooting the guy.

24 posted on 09/18/2012 5:04:42 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: AstralisLux

If Obama had a son....


25 posted on 09/18/2012 5:07:02 PM PDT by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: robowombat

If she shot “through” the window and her car was operational, this will be a God send for George Zimmerman if she is found not guilty.


26 posted on 09/18/2012 5:09:48 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: robowombat

The witness unaffiliated with either driver disagrees with her account. No argument before the shooting. No pounding.


27 posted on 09/18/2012 5:10:23 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: a fool in paradise
I thought she fired through the window. Which was it? He broke it or she did? Or did he break it and then she shot through the open frame?

Not sure how it went down, but I can assure you she can't hear anything but a loud ringing right now, if she didn't have the muzzle outside the window.

I made that mistake once, it will never happen again.

28 posted on 09/18/2012 5:10:44 PM PDT by DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
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To: Sacajaweau

Pretty disappointed with the comments here. Lots of racial statements. If you believe Stand your ground was good in Trayvon, you should believe the same thing here whether, black/white male/female. If footage shows otherwise that changes but we should be viewing it the same way.


29 posted on 09/18/2012 5:14:24 PM PDT by shoedog
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To: Tijeras_Slim; Revolting cat!
I’m sure the New White Panther Party will put a bounty on her head.

Wayne Kramer is still around. Ask him if he's going to do a fundraiser concert.

PS for all of the MC5's political grandstanding in the 60s (they were the band that actually played the Chicago 1968 DNC protest rally when word on the street was it would be the Beatles or Stones), they got called out in NYC by other members of the White Panthers as being politically incorrect meatheads, not properly politically agitated savy liberals. It was their manager John Sinclair who painted them as political revolutionaries. Wayne Kramer still believes the hype though.

30 posted on 09/18/2012 5:15:08 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: AstralisLux

Dude was an angry douchebag and it got him killed.

Give her the gun back and send her on her way home.


31 posted on 09/18/2012 5:19:54 PM PDT by EricT. (The GOP's sole purpose is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.)
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To: AstralisLux
Assuming there's no film of the incident and no eyewitnesses you look at the physical evidence...prints,blood,etc,etc,etc.etc and you look at their backgrounds.If one has a dirty history and the other clean then the dirty one was was probably in the wrong.

Unless there's something I'm missing here this one's very similar to a more famous recent case.

32 posted on 09/18/2012 5:20:23 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama's Reelected Imagine The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: AstralisLux

For the record, you’re allowed to post a 300 word excerpt from any source on FR’s green light list.

It’s hard to get a conversation started with just a teaser, and lots of folks will give you grief for posting a cliffhanger like that.


33 posted on 09/18/2012 5:25:29 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Zhang Fei

I read that she called 911 before she pulled into the Shell Station.


34 posted on 09/18/2012 5:26:48 PM PDT by Terry Mross (The Clintons are extremely afraid of obama. Do they owe him their souls?)
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To: a fool in paradise

That’s the big question. The lawyer’s story is diverging from the event and even the police report.


35 posted on 09/18/2012 5:27:44 PM PDT by AstralisLux
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To: shoedog
Pretty disappointed with the comments here. Lots of racial statements.

Gotta agree with you there.

If you believe Stand your ground was good in Trayvon, you should believe the same thing here

I need a few more facts here. But, to compare this to the Zimmerman/Martin case is absurd at this point. There is a little difference between having your head beaten in and your car pounded on, if that's what happened here. The witness does not agree with her story.

36 posted on 09/18/2012 5:29:42 PM PDT by DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
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To: AstralisLux

Assuming the report of the incident is accurate(a dangerous assumption now days!)The statement of the witness turns guilt or innocence into a question of fact.


37 posted on 09/18/2012 5:29:48 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: AstralisLux
Nonetheless, the victim’s girlfriend, Evelyn Bautista, claimed that Ables was not aggressive. “He’s just a regular guy,” she said. Ables’ family members also claim that it is hard to believe that he deserved his killing.

Even rabid dogs 'don't deserve killing,' if we go by what the family and friends say.
Having experienced the wrong end road rage, I can assure everyone that race does not play a role. Road rage is road rage.

I am sure I am not the only driver who has been involved in a fender bender, and failed to rush the other driver's car, pounded on her window and tried to open the other driver's door. This nut deserved what he started by acting like an animal.

If I were on her jury, I would be totally on her side.
All based on the preliminary facts given. What is important and missing is the input from any witnesses (plural) to the event.

38 posted on 09/18/2012 5:30:38 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: AstralisLux

I agree with others. Self-defense is self-defense.

I do note that this was in daylight, in a public place with others present, and she was still inside her car so its not an exact equivalent to the more famous case.

So I’ll be curious to see how the investigation turns out.


39 posted on 09/18/2012 5:31:06 PM PDT by marron
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To: a fool in paradise; All
An eyewitness, who appeared on camera but has requested anonymity, said that he did not hear any threat in the seconds before Scott killed Ables.

In this instance, "eyewitness" is a misnomer. He did not see any of the incident until it was over. He is more of an "earwitness".

40 posted on 09/18/2012 5:35:07 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: shoedog

Well put. Thank you.


41 posted on 09/18/2012 5:36:03 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: AstralisLux
The article was hard to follow, but it sounds like an itchy trigger finger to me. This was not a back alley, she had no bodily harm, this was a public place, broad daylight.

While it may have been scary (it would have been for me at 23, no matter the color of those involved)the article does not lead me to believe it was a life threatening situation.

I dare say that the breakdown in race relations caused the fear this poor young woman felt, perhaps even the anger the white guy felt.

I hate to sound racist, but the closest calls I've had on the road recently in big Texas cities, were caused by black women drivers (I am white and a woman). The black women I've “encountered”; two of which, would have caused a major wreck if I had not been aware - didn't even bother to look when changing lanes - they just considered it their due to pull in front of a vehicle doing 70 MPH.

They gots rights after all.

42 posted on 09/18/2012 5:36:43 PM PDT by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: AstralisLux
I literally had a road rager try to break my window as my .357 sat
silently by my side and out of sight. The police knew I had it, but the idiot didn't.
I had no intention of using it unless he got through the window, and no need to.
I let the police handle it and they threw the book at him for sheer stupidity
as they pointed out my NRA plates.

This was cold blooded murder because of race, and by god she was
going to even the score taught to her though brainwashing from the Justice Brothers.

I never walk up to a vehicles window, even if there's an accident.
Let the police sort it out.

43 posted on 09/18/2012 5:37:06 PM PDT by MaxMax
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To: AstralisLux

We Texans will show those idiots in Fla how justice is done.
It will be based on facts and not race.


44 posted on 09/18/2012 5:42:01 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: AstralisLux

RACE shouldn’t matter in self defense but here it likely will but in the opposite of usual

Houston is a very race preference town nowadays..so Mike Berry sez


45 posted on 09/18/2012 5:46:08 PM PDT by wardaddy (this is a perfect window for Netanyahu to bomb Iran..I hereby give my go ahead..thanks Muzzie idiots)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
I’ll bet she was on her way to get some “Skillets candy” and Arizona Iced Tea.

Trayvon actually was carrying an Arizona watermelon cocktail.

46 posted on 09/18/2012 5:49:13 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Hmm. Perhaps you like to further explain your post at 3. You’re coming off as being bigoted and I’m sure you didn’t intend that. Particularly given the mods low tolerance level for those kind of remarks.


47 posted on 09/18/2012 5:50:55 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Vote for willard - he doesn't need to earn your vote, he's entitled to it.)
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To: shoedog

If they were in a gas station IT WILL be on film.


48 posted on 09/18/2012 5:51:38 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: COBOL2Java

And it’d be one of the few times I agreed with eric holder.


49 posted on 09/18/2012 5:52:55 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Vote for willard - he doesn't need to earn your vote, he's entitled to it.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Self defense is self defense; race makes no impact.


That all depends on the opinion of the the U.S. Department of “Just Us.”


50 posted on 09/18/2012 5:57:49 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (If there is a war on women, the Kennedys are the Spec Ops troops.)
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