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1 posted on 09/16/2012 12:07:20 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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>> These people – whatever they say – do not believe in the libertarian, democratic principles that your Constitution encapsulates. They hate it..

The contempt is mutual.


2 posted on 09/16/2012 12:09:41 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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I don’t quite think the US will cease to exist should Obama win. But it’ll be a hellhole and its salvagability severely threatened.

I completely agree Republicans aren’t in a position to save us.


3 posted on 09/16/2012 12:36:52 AM PDT by Tublecane
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Lord Monckton sounds very much like the Churchill of our day.


4 posted on 09/16/2012 1:03:05 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again")
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Lord Moncton gets it and his remarks illustrate why Romney does not.

Lord Moncton has articulated the basic threat to the United States:

The present administration, therefore, represents an existential threat to the United States.

And the reason this administration is an existential threat to the Republic is that it is driving Americans to destruction with debt. Romney has declined to establish this as the predicate for all the rest of his criticisms against Obama. I note only that Paul Ryan has come closest to seeing this reality.

It does not matter if a tax cut to the highest bracket is unfair if the country will cease to exist. It does not matter whether people with pre-existing conditions cannot get health insurance without Obama care if the entire economy disintegrates and there is no functioning American health delivery system. It does not matter that college graduates are saddled with unconscionable tuition debt if they cannot find a job. None of Obama's cynical race or class war tactics will have traction if the listener already believes that the country is crashing.

That understanding should be the predicate for the entire Romney campaign.

Second, Lord Moncton's remarks illustrate a great mistake committed by the Republicans in campaigns against Obama which is to shrink from exposing the rank unorthodoxies which animate Obama to put the country on a course toward destruction. In other words, Romney like McCain shrinks from the task of morally destroying Barack Obama. This reluctance extends beyond the person of Barack Obama to his policies.

If the listener hearing an attack on Obama's energy policies does not have this predicate in mind, the listener is not energized to get rid of Obama. Obama has, for example, put energy policies in place not to keep the world green but to turn the world red. We end up arguing endlessly over the propriety and reasonableness of EPA rulings, invariably losing in the courts, when the real battle should be over an attempt to circumvent the Constitution by running around left end. The average voter is therefore ambivalent about whether fracking is problematical and Republicans are losing too many arguments to emotional appeals about extinction of cuddly polar bears or flames coming out of sink faucets.

John McCain and Mitt Romney, each in his turn, have failed to explain to the American people that Obama is ruining the country because he is a leftist. This business of saying that Obama is incompetent is all right as far as it goes and there is certainly no rule that says that leftists cannot be incompetent, but the public is not thereby given to understand that Obama is not a nice guy, rather he is an ideologue. As such, there is no hope that he will ever change course to keep the country from going over the fiscal "Gulch"as Lord Moncton calls it.

In other words, the assault on Obama's ideology rather than his competence makes all of the failed policies of the Obama administration clear and explains why they have happened and why they will never be cured as long as Obama is in office. There is no epiphany with these half measures.

Lord Moncton says it this way:

the Republicans – dead from the neck up and from the neck down – appear altogether inadequate to meet the challenge posed by the impending outright destruction of the United States. Gov. Scott Walker is alive to the danger and is doing something about it in his State: but Mitt Romney is wholly out of his depth on this pressing issue. So, after the coming election, you will either have more Socialism under Obama or a failure to reverse Socialism and its expensive consequences under Romney

If this predicate had been properly installed into the American public, there is no reasonable probability that Bill Clinton could have been able to demagogue the economy and exculpate Barack Obama from guilt for the current mess as he did in his convention speech. The public would know that the fault is not George Bush's trickle-down economics but Barak Obama's take-down Marxism.

One last thought. It is easy for me to blame Romney for failing to attack Obama the way I have described but we all should keep in mind that when Romney advanced a thoroughly justified criticism about the tweet coming out of the Cairo embassy he was gang raped by the mainstream press. It is easy for me to criticize Romney for failing to do what will obviously bring him a mountain of grief from the same news agencies. I have no doubt that his advisers, armed with polling data and focus group analyses have told him that there are certain no go zones concerning criticism of Obama.

Nevertheless, if Obama is not repudiated in this election and if his ideology is not therefore also repudiated, the virus in the American body politic will only erupt again and probably kill the patient.


6 posted on 09/16/2012 1:12:58 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: tsowellfan; Fred Nerks; null and void

“The increasing power and wealth of the federal government and its various agencies at the expense of the people is growing and ought to be sharply diminished.”

This quote is from Monkton later in the thread article. Here he visits the reason why Romney and the GOP will not reverse the trend, simply because Romney will NOT diminish the size and scope of the federal governments executive branch, which is clearly out of balanced control of both Congress and the Supreme Court.Our country is actually being “governed” ( I use the word loosely), through Obamas fiats of proclamation, i.e. executuive orders.

We must make all of those executive orders lapse unconditionally as a start, once Obama loses his re-election bid.Hopefully Congress will rid itself of Boehner, who himself is nothing more than a foil for these liberal fasists who plague us, as well we need rid of by impeachment,the current bootlicker Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States, a disappointingly weak man who has failed his country.

These are all necessary changes which Romney would not contemplate.Obama care is being funded legislatively by Congress as we speak.

Good Read:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html


17 posted on 09/16/2012 1:36:12 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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>"These people – whatever they say – do not believe in the libertarian, democratic principles that your Constitution encapsulates. They hate it...."

"All this for a damn flag."

LM nailed it!

IMPEACH NOW!

20 posted on 09/16/2012 1:39:54 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a Barack 0b0tt0my!)
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When the government completely runs out of other people’s money, the wheels will fall off all the socialistic programs that have caused their downfall. Getting rid of Bernanke and his Monopoly money should be Job #1 if Romney is elected.


36 posted on 09/16/2012 4:31:03 AM PDT by txrefugee
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One word sums it up. CREW.
For those who do not know what a Crew is. It is a name for a group run by the Mafia.


37 posted on 09/16/2012 5:12:34 AM PDT by crz
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“Socialism Is Legal Plunder”

“Above all, if you wish to be strong, begin by rooting out every particle of socialism that may have crept into your legislation. This will be no light task.”

Frederic Bastiat 1801-1850

DEFUND socialist collectives, foreign and domestic.
DEPOPULATE socialists from the body politic.

live - free - republic


38 posted on 09/16/2012 5:34:35 AM PDT by PGalt
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You now have a Socialist president, a Socialist administration, a Socialist Democrat party, Socialist governors and legislators in many states. These people – whatever they say – do not believe in the libertarian, democratic principles that your Constitution encapsulates. They hate it.

I remember them and more and more are talking about them -- even labeling them brats..

They were the 1960s Marxist-Alinsky campus radical, psycho spoiled brats who were celebrated in the establishment MSM as the most intelligent generation ever!. They are now arguably that very establishment that praised them and they hold themselves and their ideological issue in even higher regard.

They hijacked the now defunct Democratic Party in the 1970s. Abe will explain from "the other side."

You initiated a policy to tolerate the Marxist-Alinsky radicals and let them rant; not only has it not ceased but was constantly augmented by decades of infiltration and indoctrination. You now have two Americas. In my opinion, it will not cease until a crisis shall have been reached and passed. "A house divided against itself cannot stand." I believe this government cannot endure, permanently, half statist and half free; I do not expect the house to fall; but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing, or all the other.

Obama is a biological-ideological issue of the 1960s Marxist-Alinsky campus radical, psycho spoiled brats. It's just simple, plain old-fashion brattiness.

Another example.. take BJ Clinton.. please!

BJ gets Rhodes Scholarship.. the Clinton flak chuckers say he graduated and to this day people over there are still in awe.. off to the foreign press where nowadays for the past 20 or so years we can find news that our MSM spikes..

"Clinton never completed his degree [at Oxford]. . . . Many American Rhodes scholars treated their time at Oxford as a version of the Grand Tour. They had their degree and planned to go to law school when they returned to the US; Oxford was an interesting interlude." The Bill Clinton we knew at Oxford: Apart from smoking dope (and not inhaling), what else did he learn over here? College friends share their memories with Matthew Hoffman

The point.. what BJ learned over there explains some of the things Lord Monckton says is wrong here.

39 posted on 09/16/2012 6:05:49 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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Can we have a Lord Monckton ping list?


47 posted on 09/16/2012 12:00:45 PM PDT by beaversmom
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