[redgolum]

It used to be the ideal, and now it is the oddity if not “evil”.

My bride and I didn’t have sex until the wedding night (morning after actually). Many of her friends and coworkers tried to talk her out of getting married, saying we needed to live together first and maybe have a kid or two.

That is the conventional wisdom these days.

[thecodont]

Many of her friends and coworkers tried to talk her out of getting married, saying we needed to live together first and maybe have a kid or two.

With no thought about the damage this would create...

That is the conventional wisdom these days.

It's insanity. The world has turned upside down.