When They Come For Your Guns, You Will Turn Them Over

The Daily Reckoning ^ | 8-13-2012 | Jim Karger

[PLMerite]

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[Dead Corpse]

A quick perusal of the last couple years of my posting history has shown less and less "tolerance" and "patience" for Socialist scumbags who want to take our Rights via government force...

This right is non-negotiable. Period.

Amen.

[Dead Corpse]

Good luck cleaning the Augean forum!

If you hold this forum in such low regard, log out and don't come back.

Easy...

[Dead Corpse]

They will label them as “domestic terrorists” and the vast majority of the people in this country won’t object.

Huge difference labeling some random meth head a danger and doing the same to 80+ million Americans.

An ammo ban. A magazine ban. Arbitrary "assault" weapon ban...

I'm done complying with their illegal edicts.

[elcid1970]

“....The author of the article blatantly wrote it to elicit exactly the responses it’s getting...”

The author is an idiotic jerk who actually thinks he’s safe in his mountaintop Mexican hideaway while insulting American gun rights advocates.

IMO the responses are not what he expected. There is serious discussion about armed citizens resisting a tyrannical government, including issues of logistics, feasability, and the often assumed omnipotence & omnicompetence of the forces of state power.

The consensus appears to be that:

The government’s task of disarming the public will be extremely difficult to execute.

Individuals are vulnerable regardless of which side they are on.

Incremental incursions on personal freedoms appear to be the government’s only usable methods to disarm.

The sheer number of privately owned firearms in America, unique upon this Earth, makes civilian disarmament highly problematic for those who wish it.

In fact, I’m not as scared as when I wrote that earlier post. Not nearly so at all.

;^)

[Travis McGee]

Of course the administration and their willing allies in the MSM will try to paint each mini-Waco as the demise of a right-wing domestic terrorist.

But the MSM no longer has a monopoly on meme formation in the USA. For such a purge to work, they would first have to neuter talk radio, FOX, and the internet. Can’t be done without turning the USA into Venezuela.

There are no pretexts under which the Obamites could close down or neutralize conservative media that would be believed. Sure, they would like to see Murdoch hauled away in chains, and would arrest him on trumped-up charges if they could. But they can’t.

If they somehow shut down talk radio etc, then we would accept the hard truth that the 1st Amd is null and void, our Constitutional contract has been broken, and we are in a new fight for freedom.

I’ll start to worry when Rush, Sean etc are driven off the airwaves. That will be a necessary precondition to purges.

[ctdonath2]

No more than a few thousand, but owned by people who will use them accordingly.

[Ol' Dan Tucker]

We tried disarming the VC, the Iraqis and the Afghans-how’d that work out?

They were willing to organize and shoot back.

Will you?

[Forgotten Amendments]

His heart's in the right place. But, he doesn't know what a neocon is. Actually, most neocons side with the state over any individual rights.

[Forgotten Amendments]

His heart's in the right place. But, he doesn't know what a neocon is. Actually, most neocons side with the state over any individual rights.

[ctdonath2]

Posting on this thread, for starters.

[ctdonath2]

Then there’s the folks who don’t seem to understand that posting one’s opinion on an opinion forum does not entail any obligation to elaborate, answer questions, accept essay assignments, or otherwise jump hoops at the whip crack of any anonymous poster who swaggers up with a random command.

That said, posting one's opinion on an opinion forum DOES invite other anonymous posters to request elaboration, raise questions, solicit essay-length details, and otherwise configure hoops and crack whips. Failure to provide sensible rational commentary & defense diminishes respect for said contrary opinions.

To wit: if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Many here (yours truly included) exercise heated/scathing/sharp disagreement as a means to examine both sides of issues and hone our own opinions; this is often misunderstood. The very opinion of what constitutes "thoughtful" and "courteous" may be in doubt and up for debate.

[RedMonqey]

but should all Hell break loose then those rules no longer apply and I think you would see our capabilities come to bear very quickly.

Aye, but that's the rub.

What if the government doesn't come after our guns in a storm but a sprinkle.
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I have no doubt about the armed might of the American gun owners. And so will the other side.

It would be utter stupidity for an hostile force to act like an anti gun Kristallnacht.(I wouldn't count that out though)

No, if they are wise as serpents, they will act slowly, over time. They will use ordinary events to seize guns. They will pull you over on your way to the gun range, on your hunting trip, during an ordinary domestic incident between neighbors. Any excuse to put their police powers snout in the door. They will secretly listen and gather information (most of it readily available) and strike at gun owners and their cache one by one and with regular LE agents.

There will be no mass seizures, no valiant mass battles of the Custer's Last Stand" variety for the national news to report.

Nope, if there is violence it will be covered by the compliant local media as an "incident" between LE and a lone "gun nut"

Just as it happens every day right now and nobody here thinks to go running to the poor gun enthusiast defense.

Most posters here, like gun owners everywhere have families with children and bills to pay. And even if they were rash enough to do so it would be long over by the time they got there

[CodeToad]

Normally I’d say you probably are right, but they are growing impatient. Communist took control of Russia in 10 years. The liberals have desired this gun issues for decades. I think, and just my opinion, that they believe Obama is their last chance at Communism, a “revolution” as I have heard them say. If we make it past March or so next year I think we’re safe for a while, but between then and now I think their impatience will be tested.

[CodeToad]

P.S. They believe Obama has been an abysmal failure for their Communist cause. He really didn’t do anything they wanted as far as that “bloody revolution” is concerned and we still have our Republic, what’s left of it. They REALLY thought Obama would help them topple it.

[CodeToad]

You bet! I would be surprised if FR wasn’t on someone’s list in the top 3 for “radicals”. I post only to a handful of public websites as time is limited so I try to get my bang for the clock buck right here.

I have a personal philosophy I follow: Let THEM be afraid of what they find us doing instead of us being afraid of them finding out. As a friend that owns one of the largest gun shops in the country says: “Buy a 50 cal, make a new list and piss ‘them’ off.”

[CodeToad]

Your #545: Well said! That enumeration is dead on.

[RedMonqey]

that they believe Obama is their last chance at Communism, a “revolution” as I have heard them say.

I am sure Obama, et al, would love to have the riots here that has happened in Europe.

Nothing like a mass panic to stampede the masses over a cliff. and give him Martial Law powers to do what he pleases.

I can just heard him say:

Constitution?: What Constitution?

[NFHale]

“...In fact, I’m not as scared as when I wrote that earlier post. Not nearly so at all....”

Recognizing that it’s a possibility, you prepare as best you can against the possibility of it, and move on with your life - like we do with everything else.

Yeah, it’s alarming; but there’s nothing any single one of us can do to prevent it if it happens except react, and then maybe go proactive.

Live life each day, know what you intend to do or not do ahead of time, and control what personal spheres of influence you can control.

Things fall as they will, the world moves as it will, and we all have the part to play in it that God set before us.

At the end of things, all we can do is say “I did my duty.”

Your points about the consensus are spot-on.

[ctdonath2]

On that note, I despise the “lost in a boating accident” posts. NFA & C&R makes sure I’m on the “he’s a good guy; be good to him” lists - no apologies.