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Can't We All Just Obey China?
Strategy Page ^ | August 7, 2012 | Strategy Page

Posted on 08/07/2012 7:37:14 AM PDT by Zhang Fei

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A military confrontation with China is likely. The only question now is who the players will be. All of China's neighbors will benefit from China being slapped down. But nobody wants to incur the cost of being a participant in the process of slapping China down. Ultimately, the biggest winners will be the ones who remain neutral, much like Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and Turkey during WWII.
1 posted on 08/07/2012 7:37:23 AM PDT by Zhang Fei
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If Vietnam,the Philippines,Indonesia,Thailand or Taiwan think they're gonna come out of this with a single square foot of the territory in question they should consider this....China's navy is growing by 10% a year and has been doing so for 10 years or more.
2 posted on 08/07/2012 7:44:54 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Word Is Out,Harry Reid's Into Child Porn.Release All Your Photos,Harry!)
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To: Zhang Fei

What is your solution?


3 posted on 08/07/2012 7:45:35 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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My prediction is Taiwan will defend itself down to the last American sailor, all the while loading container vessels with consumer goods bound for the US.


4 posted on 08/07/2012 7:50:19 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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What is your solution?

Lend-lease. Finance, arm and train China's neighbors, but stay out of it while continuing to provide a nuclear umbrella to prevent China from engaging in nuclear blackmail (since none of China's South China Sea neighbors have nukes). Once we're out of Afghanistan, some of the $100b we spend annually there can be diverted towards interest-free loans for China's neighbors, to be spent on American weaponry that will bring them up to par with China's armory.

5 posted on 08/07/2012 7:53:56 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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6 posted on 08/07/2012 7:54:45 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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Meanwhile:

STOP PAYING FOR CHINA’S MILITARY.

We need to dis-engage from China. Now.


7 posted on 08/07/2012 7:56:19 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: Zhang Fei

Don’t we pretty much already do that?


8 posted on 08/07/2012 8:05:16 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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I think direct American intervention should be highly conditional and require regional players to pony up significant forces and/or money. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Germany and Japan covered the entire cost of Desert Storm. Much like Desert Storm, any American intervention in SCS should be predicated on the strong-arming of all interested parties for either money or significant military participation. Otherwise...

I understand that a lot of people think our participation in WWI and WWII, where we lost 500,000 men, only to be jeered by the Brits for being “late” to the festivities, set the pattern for posterity regarding an aggressive American posture towards big wars far from our shores. It has to be said however, that our 19th century forebears seem not to have been particularly concerned that they missed out on the Napoleonic Wars, the Franco-Prussian War, the Crimean War or any of the other big wars fought in Europe during that era.


9 posted on 08/07/2012 8:05:16 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

What do you think the odds of that really happening are?


10 posted on 08/07/2012 8:09:40 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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Don’t we pretty much already do that?

No. They arrange their own financing, which is why much of their inventory is simultaneously meager and outdated. We've also been pretty careful in terms of the kinds of things we sell them. They will need offensive weaponry to dislodge the Chinese.

11 posted on 08/07/2012 8:09:57 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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Do you think they can afford our products and are willing to pay?


12 posted on 08/07/2012 8:11:58 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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A military confrontation with China is likely.

Unless we're willing to unleash unconventional weapons, we will not defeat them in that region.

13 posted on 08/07/2012 8:16:23 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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“Unless we’re willing to unleash unconventional weapons, we will not defeat them in that region.”

The Chinese are counting on the USA to elect someone like Obama who won’t lift a finger to help our allies in the region, that’s why they’re doing this in the first place.

Can we defeat the Chinese with conventional weapons? Absolutely and they know it, too. Why do you think those bandits are so interested in stealing our technology? It’s because they know that their air force is nothing more than a bunch of targets for our F-22 fighters and they know that their navy can’t set to sea without our permission.

We have a capacity for war that is unmatched in the world but which is also utterly useless without the resolve to use it. Obama absolutely won’t use it to defeat our enemies because HE IS ONE OF THEM.


14 posted on 08/07/2012 8:29:08 AM PDT by MeganC (The Cinemark theatre in Aurora, CO is a 'Gun Free Zone'. Spread the word.)
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Do you think they can afford our products and are willing to pay?

The way lend-lease worked was that many of the loans were forgiven, especially for equipment lost in battle. I'd say if the weapons are used in combat against the Chinese and lost, we write off the loan. Whether they feel they can afford the weaponry or not, it's not our territory that's at risk from Chinese annexation.

15 posted on 08/07/2012 8:37:19 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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Looking a lot like the 1930s again, only this time it’s China trying to create the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere.


16 posted on 08/07/2012 8:40:56 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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Unless we're willing to unleash unconventional weapons, we will not defeat them in that region.

There's no question of guerrilla warfare or collateral damage from a naval war. The side with better range and firepower wins. For the next decade at least, that side is Uncle Sam, although the Chinese are closing fast, due to their massive investments in military R&D.

17 posted on 08/07/2012 8:43:23 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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ok, thanks


18 posted on 08/07/2012 8:46:20 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: Zhang Fei

How about this?

How about we impose tariffs or other trade restrictions so that we quit sending hundreds of billions of dollars in trade surplus to the PRC, which allows them to engage in a military build-up which is going to destabilize the region?

How about we starve them to death?

How about we go back to treating them like the communists they are?


19 posted on 08/07/2012 8:48:11 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: MeganC

You think Mitt will?


20 posted on 08/07/2012 8:51:13 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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